Kirwan is the number 1 Buc Hater, each and every week they play, no question in my mind. I 100% agree with him though on running no huddle offense, but still pound the rock doing it.
I don’t Kirwan either, but why are guys “shocked” that he predicts the Bucs are going to lose?! This team has looked really sloppy so far this yearn and not impressive at all (fact, not negativity). Even though we won last week, we once again had to have Freeman bail us out. We can’t have slow first quarters/halfs and anymore. The defense has to step up and start playing like they did during the Kiffin days, god I miss those defenses
As I said before, I’m cautiously optimistic about this one. I like how we finished against the Viqueens, but Michael Turner has had our number for a while. If our guys can play a full 60 and give them a full dose of Blount, then we’ll be in for a good game.
Kirwan’s another national media type that skims over matchups without putting in his due diligence. But this game comes down to our box. It’s due time they start showing up. Control Turner, get at Ryan, Injure everyone else.
I find it funny how Kirwan always claims how much he loves the bucs, yet I don’t know if I have ever seen him pick them to win a game. Also he clearly doesn’t follow the bucs all that closely because he says they should pound blount, but in the next breath calls for a lot of no huddle. I wish this could happen as well but any one who has followed tampa at all knows that raheem is not going to put blount in the 2 minute offence.
Spread the offense, go no huddle, get Blount going by pounding the ball…………..
I don’t think Pat Kirwan has a clue what he’s talking about. That makes no sense at all.
The young Bucs have to contain Turner, get Blount going by giving him the ball
frequently in the FIRST HALF and get to Matt Ryan.
Hey, I’m not convince the falcons are all that and hopefully the Buccaneers win one at home, set up a sell out next Monday night and get on the kind of roll they’re capable of.
I was not convinced the Falcons were “all that” either, until they beat the Eagles.
Tampa MUST get a pass rush, and stop the run for us to beat Atlanta.
I think this is THE Game Tampa comes together, and we win.
Unfortunately, I think Kirwan is right and you all know I despise him but I actually believe he is a Bucs fan. He knows the personnel here and he was very accurate in his assessment. No hate from me, if we can slow the run and get into some obvious pass situation we can get after Ryan but until we can get some push up front with the young guys it’s going to be a process. Eventually we will beat them consistently but we are young and no identity. Offense is too inconsistent to carry us. We will have our day eventually.
He’s right about Turner vs. Blount. Turner is on fire and BLount is a weapon too but the difference is the Bucs are always telegraphing their intentions with Blount. Kirwan said he expected Blount to be “further along by now” meaning as a complete back who can can catch passes and be in on third down. Until the Bucs can utilize Blount as a complete back they will always be hamstringing themselves since opposing defenses know Blount = run, Graham= mostly pass and an occasional draw play. I think the only thing holding this offense back is the development of Blount into an all around back who can help keep the defense guessing. We saw a glimpse of what Blount can do in space when we hit him in the passing game in preseason. IS the coaching staff holding him back? Are they expecting him to catch every single pass in practice before they let him start doing it in a game? I see that as a mistake and I dearly hope they go to him in the passing game some against Atlanta.
Bucs are losing a lot of fans. The Glazers need to get their heads out of their @s**s and actually try to do something to improve the ticket and blackout situations. It’s only getting worse. Buy the damn tickets and let your fans see the fU***n games. The fans have had to put with too much crap over the years.
I’ve read where teams like the Jaguars and Chargers have done that quite a few times. Just a little fact, Bucs were the only team to have all their games blacked out last year. They also have a 10 game blackout streak.
PAtrick- The Glazers also happened to buy all the extra tickets and prevented any blackouts all through 2009. Should they just do that forever? Even when the team wins 10 freaking games and justifies fans selling the games out? Stop blaming the owners. Tampa is a transplant vacation town and always will be. Combine that with a poor economy and there is nothing the owners can do. The team is competitive now. If people won’t jump on the bandwagon then don’t expect the the owners to buy up tickets indefinitely. They did it in 09 when the team wasn’t worth paying to see. They aren’t going to do it now and shouldn’t have to.
I’ll say it again!!!! Who in their right mind can blame the owners for not buying their own tickets for a team as exciting as this???!!! Heartstopping 24 point 2nd half comeback!!! 10-6 season in the toughest division in football. What more do you want before you put the onus on the fans to buy tickets and stop blaming the owners because they refuse to subsidize irrational fan apathy???
Seriously when the Lions can be rebuilding since 57 and go like what 6-10 last year and still be selling out games just on fan perception of their potential- HOW CAN YOU BLAME THE OWNERS???!!!! LAY THE BLAME WITH ALL THE TRANSPLANTS WHERE IT BELONGS AND IF YOU WANT TO BE A FAN THEN BE A FAN AND REALIZE YOU ARE THE MINORITY IN YOUR OWN TOWN. THATS THE IT ALWAYS WILL BE UNLESS THE BUCS GO ON SOME MULTI- SUPER BOWL RUN, IN WHICH CASE I DON’T WANT THE BANDWAGON FANS. IF YOU AREN’T HERE NOW I DON’T WANT YOU HERE WHEN FREEMAN STARTS HOISTING LOMBARDI’S!!!
Totally agree with Beckleshart about the Fan base
Also agree with Architek about Kirwans assessment. Whas to disagree with?
We have a very young D-line, that realistically won’t be at it’s best for two years. Kirwan said losing Ruud would really hurt this defense.he’s still saying it, but now everyone but the the blindest Ruud hater agrees. I think sitting Quincy Jane showed most fans who the real problem was all along. Two games without his scapegoat Rudd, and everyone saw Quincy was just jogging around- its been like that all of last year!!
The question I have is for every smuck that said our secondary was a “team Strenght”. I can tell, NOBODY else thinks that. Kirwan made it pretty obvious that he didn’t think we can defend their WRs and TEs. I didn’t hear one damn thing about”oohh, the Atlanta offense will have a hard time Attacking that Fierce Tampa secondary”. Sounded to me that they didn’t think our secondary stands a chance against Atlanta’s passing attack
And that’s what the game will come down to. I’m sure Turner will get his. We have withstood that before. It’s how can we handle their 3 and 4 WR sets. I think White is a mismatch for Talib- we’ll see. Barber hoPefully can hold up against Jones. The Falcons have 4 vet WRs to throw at Biggers, Lewis, and Gaitor. It could be a long day. Hopefully, our rookie DEs will knock Ryan on his Butt a few times, but That’s a lot to hope for from Rookies. But watch and see if I’m right, and it comes down to Our secondary bs their Wrs
Capt Tim- Agree that black needs to sit. Doesn’t mean we made bad decision in throwing foster to the wolves. He already has more sacks than d-line cuz he is WAY more phsyical than Hayes,black, or Ruud would be. Here is to Dekoda getting the playing time he has earned.
Capt tim- we should all know by know that our linebacking core is weakness. But not cuz lack of Ruud. Foster has already showed he can eclipse Ruud. Its Black and Hayes that need to be replaced.(unless Geno can become consistent) but no doubt that quincy is bust at this point.
I have to retract a ways as Q.Black was reliable last year with zero splays. So far this year he has been wrecked in run and pass game with exactly NONE of the splash plays that Foster and Hayes have come up with. End result= Q.Black=weak link. Hayward\Dekoda Watson=much better run\mid range pass defense.
The Falcon’s will attack the middle of the field with both Turner & Gonzalas. The Bucs tend to be successful taking away the outside and deep routes for the most part. It will be a long day for the D-Line and LB’s. Especially if Matt Ryan starts these little 2 & 3 step drops. It’s hard to pressure a QB when the balls out in less than 3 seconds. The D will have to mix it up and get an extra Safety or CB on the field to take away that middle seam.
I am excited about Foster! I believe he is our only really talented LB. And I agree he should be starting. But he is a Strong side Linebacker. He has already proven to be great against the run. He has never played MLB . Aligning the defense is new to him. His weakness is coverage, which our MLB is in coverage the majority of the time. He will be covering Tony Gonzales in the middle of the field. A tough days job.
I think foster will be a great LB. We’ll see if it ends up being MLB. I think his talents would make him a run crusher at Sam. Time will tell.
Quincy Black played just as horribly last year. That’s a big part of why we couldn’t stop the run. WalterFootball reared our draft a B-, because we needed 2 new linebackers( Black and Hayes), and only drafted one. That’s the irritating part- every pro report said our LBers were terrible- it wasn’t just me! Yet we did nothing, and let the MLB( who most thought was very good!) leave. We got worse- not better. NOT the “plan”
Quincy had about 10 missed tackles in the first half last week. I hate for him that he got hurt, but it was his worst half of football ever. As soon as Dakota replaced him things got much better, but the Vikings also started wearing down on both sides of the ball. One thing the Bucs do well is play 4 quarters without tiring out. Young legs + Heat training = Stamina.
Patrick…ATL has looked sloppy this year, and had torely on Ryan for a fourth quarter win. These teams match up nicely. Stop buying the media hype over ATL.
Capt Tim…You know you are one of my favorate posters, so please do not take this the wrong way. We all know you think Black needs to go, and we all know nothing was done in FA this year. We are just going to have to deal with it and see what happens. The team is set, so I guess I do not see the point of brining it up over and over.
Whatever, I’m really tired of hearing the economy excuse all the time. And I’m not rich, so don’t call me spoiled. The economy is shot all over the country. What makes Tampa so special? Detroit has just as bad of an economy as us (one of the very worst in the country) and they’re selling more tickets than us. Really, something is wrong with many of the fans here in Tampa. Not just Bucs fans, but all the Tampa teams. I mean, the big reason the Rays can’t sell tickets is because people are too freaking lazy to go drive to St. Petersburg to go watch them.
The economy has been going downhill ever since 2007, and the Bucs were doing 10000000 times better with ticket sales back in 07 and 08. Doesn’t seem like the economy was influencing the sales back then.
At the very least, the Glazers need to buy the MNF tickets. It’s MNF, there’s lots of excitement, and they’re on MNF IN TAMPA for the first time since 2003. Tampa needs to freaking see that game. Blackouts are pushing the fans away, they’re not helping at all. They’re just pissing off the fans and causing others to find other things to do on Sunday afternoons. And I wish Roger Goodell and the people who are in favor of this could get that through their pea sized brain. No other sports league does this (MLB, NBA, NHL), except for the NFL. They have blackouts, but they’re not determined by attendance.
Patrick,
I agree with most of your posts because you always make good points. You’ve missed this one though. I have a staff of 70 working for me today. Out of that 70 at least 55-60 are looking to watch their home teams play. Even though they live here; they all carry their allegiance to their teams here with them. No other NFL city (except San Diego) has anywhere close to this many tranplant fans to deal with. This area as well as most area’s in Florida will always have this same problem. A consistantly good team will bring these fan’s to the games just to check out a playoff team though.
Bucnjim…agreed with opne difference. A winning team will make those fans become Bucs fans as well. We saw that happen in the 90s and most of the 2000s.
September 24th, 2011 at 4:04 pm
Frankly I’m shocked that Pat Kirwin predicts that we were going to lose. Absolutely flabbergasted.
September 24th, 2011 at 4:56 pm
Kirwan is the number 1 Buc Hater, each and every week they play, no question in my mind. I 100% agree with him though on running no huddle offense, but still pound the rock doing it.
September 24th, 2011 at 5:16 pm
Didn’t Kirwan say Tampa would be 2-14 last year with the only wins being against Carolina?
September 24th, 2011 at 6:18 pm
I don’t Kirwan either, but why are guys “shocked” that he predicts the Bucs are going to lose?! This team has looked really sloppy so far this yearn and not impressive at all (fact, not negativity). Even though we won last week, we once again had to have Freeman bail us out. We can’t have slow first quarters/halfs and anymore. The defense has to step up and start playing like they did during the Kiffin days, god I miss those defenses
September 24th, 2011 at 7:06 pm
As I said before, I’m cautiously optimistic about this one. I like how we finished against the Viqueens, but Michael Turner has had our number for a while. If our guys can play a full 60 and give them a full dose of Blount, then we’ll be in for a good game.
September 24th, 2011 at 7:09 pm
@ Patrick
It’s sarcasm. The “absolutely flabbergasted” should have gave it away.
September 24th, 2011 at 7:12 pm
Kirwan’s another national media type that skims over matchups without putting in his due diligence. But this game comes down to our box. It’s due time they start showing up. Control Turner, get at Ryan, Injure everyone else.
September 24th, 2011 at 8:56 pm
I find it funny how Kirwan always claims how much he loves the bucs, yet I don’t know if I have ever seen him pick them to win a game. Also he clearly doesn’t follow the bucs all that closely because he says they should pound blount, but in the next breath calls for a lot of no huddle. I wish this could happen as well but any one who has followed tampa at all knows that raheem is not going to put blount in the 2 minute offence.
September 24th, 2011 at 9:51 pm
Spread the offense, go no huddle, get Blount going by pounding the ball…………..
I don’t think Pat Kirwan has a clue what he’s talking about. That makes no sense at all.
The young Bucs have to contain Turner, get Blount going by giving him the ball
frequently in the FIRST HALF and get to Matt Ryan.
Hey, I’m not convince the falcons are all that and hopefully the Buccaneers win one at home, set up a sell out next Monday night and get on the kind of roll they’re capable of.
September 24th, 2011 at 10:15 pm
I was not convinced the Falcons were “all that” either, until they beat the Eagles.
Tampa MUST get a pass rush, and stop the run for us to beat Atlanta.
I think this is THE Game Tampa comes together, and we win.
September 24th, 2011 at 11:05 pm
Unfortunately, I think Kirwan is right and you all know I despise him but I actually believe he is a Bucs fan. He knows the personnel here and he was very accurate in his assessment. No hate from me, if we can slow the run and get into some obvious pass situation we can get after Ryan but until we can get some push up front with the young guys it’s going to be a process. Eventually we will beat them consistently but we are young and no identity. Offense is too inconsistent to carry us. We will have our day eventually.
September 25th, 2011 at 12:19 am
He’s right about Turner vs. Blount. Turner is on fire and BLount is a weapon too but the difference is the Bucs are always telegraphing their intentions with Blount. Kirwan said he expected Blount to be “further along by now” meaning as a complete back who can can catch passes and be in on third down. Until the Bucs can utilize Blount as a complete back they will always be hamstringing themselves since opposing defenses know Blount = run, Graham= mostly pass and an occasional draw play. I think the only thing holding this offense back is the development of Blount into an all around back who can help keep the defense guessing. We saw a glimpse of what Blount can do in space when we hit him in the passing game in preseason. IS the coaching staff holding him back? Are they expecting him to catch every single pass in practice before they let him start doing it in a game? I see that as a mistake and I dearly hope they go to him in the passing game some against Atlanta.
September 25th, 2011 at 1:23 am
http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/sports/nfl/buccaneers/records%3A-tampa-bay-buccaneers-losing-fans-at-rapid-pace-091511
Bucs are losing a lot of fans. The Glazers need to get their heads out of their @s**s and actually try to do something to improve the ticket and blackout situations. It’s only getting worse. Buy the damn tickets and let your fans see the fU***n games. The fans have had to put with too much crap over the years.
I’ve read where teams like the Jaguars and Chargers have done that quite a few times. Just a little fact, Bucs were the only team to have all their games blacked out last year. They also have a 10 game blackout streak.
September 25th, 2011 at 2:01 am
PAtrick- The Glazers also happened to buy all the extra tickets and prevented any blackouts all through 2009. Should they just do that forever? Even when the team wins 10 freaking games and justifies fans selling the games out? Stop blaming the owners. Tampa is a transplant vacation town and always will be. Combine that with a poor economy and there is nothing the owners can do. The team is competitive now. If people won’t jump on the bandwagon then don’t expect the the owners to buy up tickets indefinitely. They did it in 09 when the team wasn’t worth paying to see. They aren’t going to do it now and shouldn’t have to.
September 25th, 2011 at 2:05 am
I’ll say it again!!!! Who in their right mind can blame the owners for not buying their own tickets for a team as exciting as this???!!! Heartstopping 24 point 2nd half comeback!!! 10-6 season in the toughest division in football. What more do you want before you put the onus on the fans to buy tickets and stop blaming the owners because they refuse to subsidize irrational fan apathy???
September 25th, 2011 at 2:09 am
Seriously when the Lions can be rebuilding since 57 and go like what 6-10 last year and still be selling out games just on fan perception of their potential- HOW CAN YOU BLAME THE OWNERS???!!!! LAY THE BLAME WITH ALL THE TRANSPLANTS WHERE IT BELONGS AND IF YOU WANT TO BE A FAN THEN BE A FAN AND REALIZE YOU ARE THE MINORITY IN YOUR OWN TOWN. THATS THE IT ALWAYS WILL BE UNLESS THE BUCS GO ON SOME MULTI- SUPER BOWL RUN, IN WHICH CASE I DON’T WANT THE BANDWAGON FANS. IF YOU AREN’T HERE NOW I DON’T WANT YOU HERE WHEN FREEMAN STARTS HOISTING LOMBARDI’S!!!
September 25th, 2011 at 3:51 am
Totally agree with Beckleshart about the Fan base
Also agree with Architek about Kirwans assessment. Whas to disagree with?
We have a very young D-line, that realistically won’t be at it’s best for two years. Kirwan said losing Ruud would really hurt this defense.he’s still saying it, but now everyone but the the blindest Ruud hater agrees. I think sitting Quincy Jane showed most fans who the real problem was all along. Two games without his scapegoat Rudd, and everyone saw Quincy was just jogging around- its been like that all of last year!!
The question I have is for every smuck that said our secondary was a “team Strenght”. I can tell, NOBODY else thinks that. Kirwan made it pretty obvious that he didn’t think we can defend their WRs and TEs. I didn’t hear one damn thing about”oohh, the Atlanta offense will have a hard time Attacking that Fierce Tampa secondary”. Sounded to me that they didn’t think our secondary stands a chance against Atlanta’s passing attack
And that’s what the game will come down to. I’m sure Turner will get his. We have withstood that before. It’s how can we handle their 3 and 4 WR sets. I think White is a mismatch for Talib- we’ll see. Barber hoPefully can hold up against Jones. The Falcons have 4 vet WRs to throw at Biggers, Lewis, and Gaitor. It could be a long day. Hopefully, our rookie DEs will knock Ryan on his Butt a few times, but That’s a lot to hope for from Rookies. But watch and see if I’m right, and it comes down to Our secondary bs their Wrs
September 25th, 2011 at 5:53 am
Capt Tim- Agree that black needs to sit. Doesn’t mean we made bad decision in throwing foster to the wolves. He already has more sacks than d-line cuz he is WAY more phsyical than Hayes,black, or Ruud would be. Here is to Dekoda getting the playing time he has earned.
September 25th, 2011 at 5:59 am
Capt tim- we should all know by know that our linebacking core is weakness. But not cuz lack of Ruud. Foster has already showed he can eclipse Ruud. Its Black and Hayes that need to be replaced.(unless Geno can become consistent) but no doubt that quincy is bust at this point.
September 25th, 2011 at 6:04 am
I have to retract a ways as Q.Black was reliable last year with zero splays. So far this year he has been wrecked in run and pass game with exactly NONE of the splash plays that Foster and Hayes have come up with. End result= Q.Black=weak link. Hayward\Dekoda Watson=much better run\mid range pass defense.
September 25th, 2011 at 7:55 am
The Falcon’s will attack the middle of the field with both Turner & Gonzalas. The Bucs tend to be successful taking away the outside and deep routes for the most part. It will be a long day for the D-Line and LB’s. Especially if Matt Ryan starts these little 2 & 3 step drops. It’s hard to pressure a QB when the balls out in less than 3 seconds. The D will have to mix it up and get an extra Safety or CB on the field to take away that middle seam.
September 25th, 2011 at 9:04 am
I am excited about Foster! I believe he is our only really talented LB. And I agree he should be starting. But he is a Strong side Linebacker. He has already proven to be great against the run. He has never played MLB . Aligning the defense is new to him. His weakness is coverage, which our MLB is in coverage the majority of the time. He will be covering Tony Gonzales in the middle of the field. A tough days job.
I think foster will be a great LB. We’ll see if it ends up being MLB. I think his talents would make him a run crusher at Sam. Time will tell.
Quincy Black played just as horribly last year. That’s a big part of why we couldn’t stop the run. WalterFootball reared our draft a B-, because we needed 2 new linebackers( Black and Hayes), and only drafted one. That’s the irritating part- every pro report said our LBers were terrible- it wasn’t just me! Yet we did nothing, and let the MLB( who most thought was very good!) leave. We got worse- not better. NOT the “plan”
September 25th, 2011 at 9:15 am
Quincy had about 10 missed tackles in the first half last week. I hate for him that he got hurt, but it was his worst half of football ever. As soon as Dakota replaced him things got much better, but the Vikings also started wearing down on both sides of the ball. One thing the Bucs do well is play 4 quarters without tiring out. Young legs + Heat training = Stamina.
September 25th, 2011 at 9:44 am
YOU GUYS NEVER GET IT, ALL YOU DO IS CALL PEOPLE HATERS, FALCONS 23- TAMPA 20, DEAL WITH IT PEOPLE
September 25th, 2011 at 9:56 am
Patrick…ATL has looked sloppy this year, and had torely on Ryan for a fourth quarter win. These teams match up nicely. Stop buying the media hype over ATL.
September 25th, 2011 at 9:59 am
Not sure why the fans are at fault when the Glazers can’t market tickets.
They should let the new fanbase buy tickets with their food stamps and go ahead and fire Greg Olson… as you clowns have always wanted anyway.
September 25th, 2011 at 10:01 am
Capt Tim…You know you are one of my favorate posters, so please do not take this the wrong way. We all know you think Black needs to go, and we all know nothing was done in FA this year. We are just going to have to deal with it and see what happens. The team is set, so I guess I do not see the point of brining it up over and over.
September 25th, 2011 at 11:10 am
Whatever, I’m really tired of hearing the economy excuse all the time. And I’m not rich, so don’t call me spoiled. The economy is shot all over the country. What makes Tampa so special? Detroit has just as bad of an economy as us (one of the very worst in the country) and they’re selling more tickets than us. Really, something is wrong with many of the fans here in Tampa. Not just Bucs fans, but all the Tampa teams. I mean, the big reason the Rays can’t sell tickets is because people are too freaking lazy to go drive to St. Petersburg to go watch them.
The economy has been going downhill ever since 2007, and the Bucs were doing 10000000 times better with ticket sales back in 07 and 08. Doesn’t seem like the economy was influencing the sales back then.
At the very least, the Glazers need to buy the MNF tickets. It’s MNF, there’s lots of excitement, and they’re on MNF IN TAMPA for the first time since 2003. Tampa needs to freaking see that game. Blackouts are pushing the fans away, they’re not helping at all. They’re just pissing off the fans and causing others to find other things to do on Sunday afternoons. And I wish Roger Goodell and the people who are in favor of this could get that through their pea sized brain. No other sports league does this (MLB, NBA, NHL), except for the NFL. They have blackouts, but they’re not determined by attendance.
September 25th, 2011 at 11:30 am
Patrick,
I agree with most of your posts because you always make good points. You’ve missed this one though. I have a staff of 70 working for me today. Out of that 70 at least 55-60 are looking to watch their home teams play. Even though they live here; they all carry their allegiance to their teams here with them. No other NFL city (except San Diego) has anywhere close to this many tranplant fans to deal with. This area as well as most area’s in Florida will always have this same problem. A consistantly good team will bring these fan’s to the games just to check out a playoff team though.
September 25th, 2011 at 1:25 pm
Bucnjim…agreed with opne difference. A winning team will make those fans become Bucs fans as well. We saw that happen in the 90s and most of the 2000s.