“Taking A Beating From Their Fans”
July 1st, 2011
It’s more than fair to say that Joe has his finger on the pulse of the Bucs fan base. Joe interacts with fans daily and spends far too much of his life pounding out Bucs news and commentary on these pages.
So Joe was taken back a bit by the harsh words from NFC South blogger Pat Yasinskas in regards to the ongoing Aqib Talib saga. (Joe wrote about the latest on Talib earlier.)
Yasinskas is clear that he thinks the Bucs organization has absorbed a beating from its fans because of displays of bad character off the field.
Talib is one of their most talented players when he’s focused on football. But the Bucs have had a series of off-field problems over the past year or so and that’s led to them taking a beating from their fans about character. They could make a big statement in that area by releasing or trading Talib. But, if the legal system and the NFL aren’t going to sideline Talib, the Bucs might be hesitant to take any action.
Joe has to disagree. The Bucs have taken a beating about character from many in the media — Joe included when it came to King of Turds Jerramy Stevens — but hardly from fans. Now one could make the argument that fans have shown their alleged frustration about the team’s character at the box office, but Joe thinks that would be ridiculously misguided.
But Joe will ask his readers: Have you, the fan, issued the Bucs “a beating” for the character of players and staff in the organization?
July 1st, 2011 at 11:17 am
This is a perfect example of media trying to dictate public opinion. Yastinkas can’t possibly stoop any lower. How does this guy still get work?
July 1st, 2011 at 11:25 am
“But Joe will ask his readers: Have you, the fan, issued the Bucs ‘a beating’ for the character of players and staff in the organization?”
Absolutely not from me. Aside from Jerramy Stevens (signed be the previous regime) I don’t see too much out of the ordinary in the behavior of our players and certainly not since they’ve signed here.
I think other than Stevens the biggest questions stem from Tanard Jackson and Aqib Talib. T Jax’s behavior has been disappointing (to say the least) but he’s guilty of a victimless crime….unless the victim is the Bucs secondary.
As far as Talib goes, I personally think the court system should handle this and the organization should proceed when all the facts are spelled out in the court of law. I was recently reading an article about the former Miami of Ohio coach who was hired by Pitt, but fired less than a week later after charges of domestic abuse. Turns out the coach and his wife worked out the situation, and no charges were ever filed. The mans career and reputation were ruined because an organization wouldn’t stand by its employee. In my perspective this is wrong, and a case for the Bucs to look at when making their final decision about Talib.
Now, I said at the time and I’ll say again……I believe if Rah had brought down the hammer on Talib after the cabbie incident or the helmet swinging incident that we might not be looking at these most recent charges, but instead he decided to sit courtside with Talib at a Magic game. I think Rah’s learned from that and grown up a lot since he was first named head coach but that’s a topic for another day.
Bottom line: As a diehard (and not necessarily impartial) Buc fan, I think the reputation of a team full of turds is grossly undeserved
July 1st, 2011 at 11:30 am
Not at all. I think on average we have a less-than-normal number of “turds” on our team. Yes, Jerramy Stevens was a pinhead and deserved everything he got (i.e. released), but I fully support Tampa hanging onto Talib for two reasons. One, bottom line he’s our most talented cornerback and they’re not running a day-care but a professional football team. And two, he’s young and still capable of being redirected and helped with anger management issues.
Go Bucs!
July 1st, 2011 at 11:45 am
I somewhat agree, it does seem that over the past several years they were absolutely among the top teams you heard about for the wrong reasons at times. Yet, like some others have pointed out these were not “crimes” but yet still go against someones character. Maybe im way off but thats the sense i get and hear from others as well. Now dont get me wrong, I dont give a rats a#@ about “character issues” on this team as long as they can come together on sundays and put on a show for us fans and get back to the damn playoffs!!! 😉
July 1st, 2011 at 11:45 am
I think that for the most part, the Bucs have very good character on the team. They have numerous very young positive leaders. Of course with young players/people, there will be some bumps along the way. There are no Pacman Jones or Tank Johnson wanna-be-gangstas on this team, just some young guys making young mistakes and then Talib being a hot-head.
As the first poster stated, the media seems to be trying to dictate popular opinion… Personally, I’ve had enough of the media trying to push their agenda and would just like to see the news play out the way it’s supposed to.
July 1st, 2011 at 11:49 am
I think it is far more from other team’s fans than from our own. Fans of other teams love to hate on teams who they perceive to employ “turds.” Since the Bengals have been steering pretty clear of that role lately, people are trying to fill the void with someone, and it seems the Bucs are doing so, whether it is deserved or not.
But in the end, I think the perception is mostly by people who are not fans of the Bucs, per se.
July 1st, 2011 at 11:52 am
I have to say … Yaskinkas .. (Or whatever the hell his name is) Has to be the most far out reporter when it comes to the Bucs
They say you lose a sale when you give an answer not true or guess and are wrong … For Yaskinkas it was Derrick Wards great Game in the preseason against the dolphins
July 1st, 2011 at 12:10 pm
Forgive me if I can’t recall your name as I’m not trying to steal your thunder, but someone with foresight posted yesterday that everytime time Talib steps on the field, the media is going to remind us of Talib’s off field exploits. If Talib plays up to his usual high level, there will be plenty of opportunities for the media to replay the rap sheet. They did it to Blount all last year (the college punch), and you will here it again the first time he plows into the end zone. This is unfortunate, but thats the way the media circus is. I can hear Joe Buck now giving his social commentary on Talib’s ability versus his off field personna. So brace up and put on your “sticks and stones” attitude, because the arrows will be coming our way.
July 1st, 2011 at 12:12 pm
I do not blame the Bucs organization for the actions of individuals. I think Talib and T Jax have taken the beating but not the Bucs…
Pat Yasinskas absolutely sucks as a reporter for the NFC South, he is on the Falcons jock so bad it isnt even funny
July 1st, 2011 at 12:40 pm
I think if the Bucs do nothing to Talib for this latest blemish, they are sending a very bad message to the team, fans and NFL. If your talented enough, It really doesnt matter what you do, we are going to squeeze ever last drop of football out of you until somebody else tells us we can’t.
In regards to Stevens….he has an average player at best, he messed up, they got rid of him before the sun came up the next day.
How many times has Talib messed up…exactly.
I want to win as badly as the next guy, but im not a big believer in Talib simply because I do not trust that he wont screw up again…..he’s past is definately an indication of what his future will be.
July 1st, 2011 at 1:15 pm
Attn Glazers:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/01/dolphins-quickly-sell-out-25-season-tickets/
On Thursday evening, Florio mentioned the Dolphins were making select season tickets available for only $25-per-game.
On Friday morning, Ben Volin of the Palm Beach Post said that the product has sold out. That doesn’t come as a huge surprise, but it’s a reminder that the lockout isn’t going to dim enthusiasm of fans if the owners would occasionally give ticket buyers a bit of a break.
The next cheapest Dolphins seasons tickets come in at $340, which plenty available. The Cardinals, Rams, and Raiders have the cheapest season tickets in the league.
July 1st, 2011 at 1:21 pm
YES he has done some dumb things but it isn’t like any of them were major things so I was, and am still, all on board for keeping him and getting him straight.
This case, however, is very serious. If found guilty, then by all means, cut him. IF found innocent and to be doing nothing more than trying to protect his sister and he did not fire the gun… he stays.
July 1st, 2011 at 1:27 pm
This link may be the reason why the bucs as a whole get such a bad rap… Now some of these arrests are coaches as well, but you get the idea with 13 instances…..
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/police-blotter/
July 1st, 2011 at 1:34 pm
If you want to send a message, why not a message of forgiveness and redemption. We are keeping Talib, and surly Rah will be all over his a$$. As for the teams reputation in the media….it is always going to take a beating with MW, LB, AT, TJ and now AC on the team. The past will forever haunt them in the media……glad I don’t pay attention to the mainstream media 🙂
July 1st, 2011 at 1:38 pm
He pistol whipped a dude who hit his sister. I have no problem with that. Now firing the gun, that bothers me a little. But each state has different laws on how to approach that and how the local public feels about those laws usually dictates the punishment if any at all. I could have sworn that it was ok to fire a gun in Texas if “insert situation here”.
Kids do stupid thigs, and to be honest he is still a kid.
July 1st, 2011 at 1:43 pm
Yes joe. You should too. Talib is a turd, t jax too – 10 plus org arrests in such a short time indicates a character problem.
July 1st, 2011 at 1:53 pm
This is another quote from a column………….
At a time when the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are sensitive to the perception that they cut corners on character when it comes to acquiring players, a member of the front office has joined the parade of personnel who have found trouble.
July 1st, 2011 at 2:00 pm
Winning cures all.
July 1st, 2011 at 2:01 pm
Joe here,
@Creamsicle — Bucs have already dropped season ticket prices upstairs substantially and offered other discounts. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/18/bucs-drop-ticket-prices/
At some point you can’t give it away and have it be wise business. Wish there was more demand.
July 1st, 2011 at 2:26 pm
I have to say it…peoples memories are short as heck. And they tend to rewrite history.
As I recall, all but a couple people on JoeBucsFan.Com, including at least one of the Joes, were all over Talib when news of the shooting came out.
I specifically remember people jumping my case for even stating we should wait until the truth is out and that Talib is innocent until proven guilty.
People are allowed to change their minds. I have no problem with that. But let’s not pretend the past never happened.
There were only a couple people saying it was best to wait and see. EVERYONE else was ready to burn him alive without a trial.
Be up front and honest people. Don’t revise history.
July 1st, 2011 at 2:40 pm
I’m all about morals and values and I love the Bucs. I know that they are role models because they are famous but we are the ones who have made them famous with our love of football. They are just people that screw up like the rest of us. If they break the law then they should be held accountable by the law but if they are found innocent then there is no need for discipline from the team or the league. If they are detrimental to the team then let the team deal with it. The league have no right to hold any player accountable for there actions when they are the ones who turned there back on the players and locked them out. I the league wants to play the part of the players parents punishing them for everything the league doesn’t like, then when they kick there kids out don’t expect them to follow the the rules.
July 1st, 2011 at 2:47 pm
Who cares about the number of arrests in such a short period of time. Stats are for losers. Back office types shoudln’t be figured in to that number. You certainly won’t hear anything negative come out my mouth when it comes to the Bucs
July 1st, 2011 at 4:37 pm
Pat Yasinskas absolutely sucks as a reporter for the NFC South, he sucked when he was in Tampa, and he sucks now. The Bucs are not all that bad, as far as character goes. I know plenty of people who smoke weed that have good character. If any team has bad character, it is Pittsburgh! You have Rape O Roethlisberger, and the ever un american Rashweed Mendenhall telling us Osama Bin Laden was a good guy. Sorry Pat Yasinkas, criticise Pittsburgh for bad character, not Tampa. Lots of Tampa players smoke weed, but we have an overagressive Police Force down here. Our Police in Tampa seem more concerned with busting Black Athletes for a little bit of weed, then putting the real bad guys away it seems ?
July 1st, 2011 at 5:35 pm
I think the Bucs should get rid of Talib. It was fun looking at photos from the recent Mini Camp until you get to Talib with his pants half way down is hind end. He is a Thug and a poor example for Rookies. If this was his last behavior problem I may think differently, unfortunately I seriously doubt that it is.
July 1st, 2011 at 6:08 pm
“It was fun looking at photos from the recent Mini Camp until you get to Talib with his pants half way down is hind end. He is a Thug and a poor example for Rookies.
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I could give a sh%t less if he wears his pants on his head, and neither should you. I am a firm believer that no man should analyze the way another man wears his clothing. The same applies for hair. It’s amazing that you draw the conclusion of him being a poor example for rookies by that. You are truly showing your age and intolerance for anything YOU don’t see as the way it should be done. Lighten up and get over it.
July 1st, 2011 at 7:21 pm
I agree with Pete Dutcher. What he said.
July 1st, 2011 at 7:24 pm
In addition to the way he wears his pants. He has battered a teammate, cab driver and sister’s boyfriend in a few years. That record may suggest thug.
July 1st, 2011 at 7:32 pm
Talib needs guidance. He was probably lacking a Father Figure for a long time as an adolescent. We all know what a great role model Mama Talib is. But that has nothing to do with the Bucs, IMO. They are obviously trying to reign him in, and I think when the Suckout is over he’ll really get his wings clipped, Double Secret Probation. I love the way the Bucs are being run now and the way the team is being lead. Raheem and Dominick are both doing an outstanding job of leading one of the most exciting NFL teams I have ever seen, bar none. To say and write what Yankme wrote is ridiculous. I don’t but it and maybe 1 out of every 10 things this idiot writes about the Bucs has merit or makes sense. He is out of touch with reality, kind of like the little Twerp here. They could even be one in the same person. Could even be Russian, Thomas Yankmeoff.
July 1st, 2011 at 7:39 pm
One thing I’ll say about weed is this, if you like it, use it in moderation, and please don’t drive around with it, smoking it. Keep it in the privacy of your own home, along with the majority of your other business. When you start putting your $h!t on the street, that is when problems occur. Drive the speed limit or not more than about 8mph over it, wear your damn seat belt all of the time, and if you text and drive your the most dangerous @sshole on the road, and I will honk at you and curse you when I see you doing it.
July 1st, 2011 at 7:43 pm
@Thomas,
You really should learn to read and comprehend. I never said anything about him not being a thug. My comment was about how he wears his pants and the conclusions he drew from that (bad influence on the rookies). Why don’t you read more carefully before you make a bigger arse out of yourself than you already do. I know you are another one very concerned with how men wear their clothing, so I would expect you to back him up. Why don’t you two go on the View and discuss it with the women on there. They may care, because the real men on this board don’t.
July 1st, 2011 at 7:45 pm
Mendenhall has character issues because he spoke out against something he disagreed with? Thats his first amendment right! I dont agree with Osama at all but I do agree with Mendenhall that we shouldnt be dancing in the streets celebrating another human beings death! I respect Mendenhall for standing up for what he believes even if I dont agree with him. And that Apple Roof, is character!
July 1st, 2011 at 7:47 pm
The View!!!
Hahaha. LOL
You got owned, Bitch!
July 1st, 2011 at 9:36 pm
I know one thing…. AppleRoofCleaning will not be touching my house!!!!
July 1st, 2011 at 9:39 pm
Scurv should be banned.
The view has more credibility than the fanatical and delusional opinions of hawaiian and bigmac.
Even whoopie goldberg would tell you that the bucs arent one of the most exciting teams ever- where do the lions rank then?
July 1st, 2011 at 10:05 pm
“The view has more credibility than the fanatical and delusional opinions of hawaiian and bigmac.”
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There is a couple delusional people on this board, but it’s not BigMac or me. The overwhelming majority of people on this board, as well as experts around the league, all agree with us. Yet we are delusional? This coming from the same person who claims to have been a writer, then a lawyer, then an ex-athlete! Interesting. Since your view of this team is so glum, why waste your time day after day following them? Nothing is going to change buddy. Get over it. Raheem is staying, GMC is staying, the Glazers are staying. You are not educating us. Nobody wants to hear anything you have to say. But I know you don’t care, because you have such a meaningless life that you have nothing better to do than draw attention to yourself. You are such a joke that you have had Joe on multiple occasions mention you in his articles. Trust me, he’s not doing it because he thinks you are an intelligent fan. He does it because he (like the rest of us) knows that you are a complete moron that just won’t go away. Your opinions are so biased (better yet, delusional) that any shred of truth you might say is wiped away by all the crap you spew day in and day out.
July 1st, 2011 at 11:06 pm
I don’t hold any of the character issues against the bucs. With the exception of the Mike Williams DUI (which ended up being a ridiculous cop abusing his authority), none of the character incidents have come from players drafted by Raheem/Dominik. All of the issues have come from players drafted or picked up by the Gruden/Allen regime. Since RM and MD have taken over I think they have made character a very high priority for the team and particularly in the draft. That seems pretty obvious. And they have done extensive background checks on players that had “questionable” character. All this to say I think the current organization is building a great team of high character role models that will do great things in the community for years to come.
July 2nd, 2011 at 2:15 am
Thomas “The View” watcher. I guess now we can add the term “Girly Man” (for lack of another term) to your resume. I honestly don’t want to insult the fags of the world by lumping you into the same category. I’d say “Box of Rocks” too, but I don’t want to insult the earth. If ever there was an abortion that should have been performed, you buddy are it. Your parents must be so very proud.
July 2nd, 2011 at 2:42 am
Soooo anybody wana get back to talkin football
July 2nd, 2011 at 7:27 am
Good idea foxworth. The sheep prefer personal attacks on those who disagree with their silly statements like this 3rd place team in its division with horrible defense and major character questions is one of the “most exciting teams ever.” i am sure that the “experts” would agree with that nonsense.
July 2nd, 2011 at 8:40 am
Jackblack:
Mike williams fell to the 4th round bc of character problems at syracuse. Look them up. Blount went undrafted, then was let go by the Titans, reportedly (see youtube) for punching a player again – a sign that he had not learned anything. Alex Magee is a rahdom guy. Rah was talib and thc jax position coach under gru- clearly rah has culpability for their failure to learn to act responsibility. Rah needs to learn that kissing player a– promotes this type of stuff. This team is so undisciplined that al davis thinks that they are out of control.
July 2nd, 2011 at 10:25 am
Tommy boy, I’m sure if we stood side by side in front of a panel of “anybody”, I would be the one they referred to as a Lion and you, my little lamb, would be the sheep. Back to football you say, and all you write is your typical “Buc Bashing BS”. First you bash Williams who has clearly proved you and the critics wrong, arguably the steal of the draft. The guy wasn’t drunk when he drove, and it was proven. How stupid are you? Then you bash Blount, and we all know his story and don’t need your slanted, hate biased interpretation. He had 1000 yds in 13 games, and completely opened things up for Josh. Name one bad thing he has done since he came here. You can’t, you’re an idiot. So after that weak @ss crap you attack Alex Magee, who was a backup player that worked his way in because of injuries to the players that you hate more than the aforementioned. Rah doesn’t kiss anybody’s ass, that is speculation by you, a dumb@ss. This team is clearly hitting on all 8 cylinders, and Rah/Dom are as close to 100% with player selections as you can get. The 8 cylinders is in reference to a car motor, it’s under the hood, and probably a place you have never seen or been. Lastly I would say to you that Jeff Fisher in trying to sneak Blount on the practice squad realized quickly what a huge mistake he made. It most likely factored into his termination as well. Keep on babbling BS, keep on coming, and we’ll keep on putting you in your place, the toilet.
July 2nd, 2011 at 10:28 am
BTW chump, ask your daddy to check your oil for you in your scooter. It probably needs changing.
July 2nd, 2011 at 12:47 pm
Why ask my dad when i can drive up to the quick lube and pay you 14.95 to do it for me?
July 2nd, 2011 at 12:53 pm
“The sheep prefer personal attacks on those who disagree with their silly statements” You mean like these? “Scurv should be banned.”
“The view has more credibility than the fanatical and delusional opinions of hawaiian and bigmac.”
“Even whoopie goldberg would tell you that the bucs arent one of the most exciting teams ever- where do the lions rank then?”
July 2nd, 2011 at 2:55 pm
Good one Thomas! Most intelligent thing you’ve said in months. But only if you tip me a couple of Bucs. It still doesn’t offer substantive counter points to anything I said….. about the Bucs. Happy 4’th Gilligan, I mean little buddy.
July 3rd, 2011 at 2:06 am
wont even make my posts public..you’re no different than the ones you crticize so often…garbage “jounalism”…shock for a buc