Lockout Could Hurt Josh Freeman
May 22nd, 2011
The asinine lockout fronted by NFL hatchetman Roger Goodell continues and this mind-numbing work stoppage has no end in sight.
And the longer it lasts the more it hurts Josh Freeman. That’s the word from Ron Jaworski, per eye-RAH! Kaufman of the Tampa Tribune.
Seemingly better known as “Jaws” on BSPN’s Monday Night Football, Jaws speaks from both research and his own personal experience as an NFL quarterback. Jaws is convinced Freeman’s timing will be way off the longer the lockout drags on.
Singling out the Patriots (Tom Brady), Colts (Peyton Manning) and Saints (Drew Brees), Jaworski said the lockout isn’t likely to hurt clubs led by veteran quarterbacks as much as teams like the Bucs, who rely on 23-year-old Josh Freeman under center.
“A lot of Josh Freeman’s terrific development last year can be traced to the work he put in during the spring and summer before training camp opened,’’ Jaworski said. “Things are a lot different right now and I think you’ll see the effects on quarterback play when the 2011 season begins.’‘
Yeah, Joe knows that Freeman is holding periodic private workouts, but who is there? Who is participating? Joe was under the impression blocking icon Michael Clayton was with the Giants now? This is all very confusing.
Each day this lockout grows, Joe gets more and more irritated!
May 22nd, 2011 at 3:52 pm
I love the term ‘blocking icon” when referring to Clayton.
May 22nd, 2011 at 4:31 pm
Joe, I really think NO NFL players, NONE, have a right to be so greedy about the amount of $ they make. Even the backup 2nd and 3rd stringers make at minimum $500,000 and that’s still maybe 10 times what the average American makes. Makes me sick. There’s people out there in these tough times starving and struggling to make a dime and would die to just have the salary of what a teacher makes. There’s people out there who are much smarter and more deserving of $ then all the thugs and hoodlums we see in the NFL today. Even for the players who good players and model citizens still make too much.
Athletes are way overpaid. I’m on the owners side in the lockout.
May 22nd, 2011 at 4:37 pm
Clayton is going to be a TE.
May 22nd, 2011 at 4:49 pm
A crappy te ha
May 22nd, 2011 at 7:06 pm
Clayton would make a good TE……………………….. if he could catch.
May 22nd, 2011 at 9:28 pm
I say make him a fullback…since he’s such a good blocker…
Trivial Question for Everyone:
What made Coach John McKay’s last game with the Bucs so controversial?
Show you Bucs knowledge on this one!
May 22nd, 2011 at 9:29 pm
er…trivia, lol
May 22nd, 2011 at 9:29 pm
Im with Patrick all the way!
May 22nd, 2011 at 9:30 pm
Patrick…don’t worry, the owners will win this one.
May 22nd, 2011 at 11:11 pm
“Patrick…don’t worry, the owners will win this one.”
If the owners win … we all win! As a Buc fan we need the league to stay competetive and the only way that can happen is with a CBA. The crap thats coming out of the players mouths is turning me off some of my favorite stars. Calling the NFL modern day slavery, Sympathizing with Osama Bin Laden and calling the NFL a “Cartel” insinuated they’re like Ruthless Drug lords! Real people with real problems dont need this kind of juvenile crap. Grow up and start negotiating! The only reason people are buying the players crap is because the NFL is being professional about this and not mudslinging like the adolecent players are!
May 22nd, 2011 at 11:18 pm
Good god, I’ve never seen such ridiculous drivel. Do you know of any other American businesses who expect tax dollars to fund their stadiums, then make money hand-over-fist and have their employees paid based on revenue that they refuse to actually give information about? Not to mention the blatant disrespect of owners like Richardson?
I’m not big on the players but not all of the players are the multi-millionaires and for our entertainment, these people are WRECKING their bodies. It may be a rich versus mega rich battle, here, but to see ordinary people siding with the mega rich JUST CAUSE is sickening.
BTW, geniuses, the NFL IS a cartel. It fits the definition, much like the Oil Cartel. It’s a word, your connotations are silly.
May 22nd, 2011 at 11:35 pm
D you sound like a player! These billionaires were rich before they owned teams and have every right to profit off theyre buisnesses! As for the players wrecking theyre bodies… Oh F***ing well! Get the Hell ,over it. The majority of america is barely making theyre mortgages and quite a few not even that! Do you think they would love to have the opportunity to make 5-50 times what the average american makes just to sacrifice theyre physicality!
Without the owners investments of billions of dollars in these teams the players would not have the opportunity to wine for more.
I think you miss the whole point anyway… A CBA Helps everyone not just the owners! With a new Cba the lesgue can continue to grow including the share the Oh So Poor millionaires get. BS!
May 22nd, 2011 at 11:39 pm
Well Mr. “D”,
You obviously don’t own a business. Big Business, Small Business, Any business can not allow their employees to take 50% of their revenue before expenses. If an employee asked me, wait, had his lawyer demand that I show him the books, he would have committed a grave error. I would calmly ask him to reconsider his position, then I would commence to firing and whipping @$$, no questions asked. It’s MY business. It bears my name. I started it from nothing. I raised the Capital. I took the risk. I work weekends. I work nights. I work when you sleep. I work when you eat. I work when you vacation, and you have the audacity to ask to see my books, pay you half of all revenue. Well I got news for you brother. It will be a cold day in Hell, and I will fight to protect it with everything I have. How I spend my profits is my business. What charities I chose to donate to is my business. This is the United States of America son and you need to wake up. It’s 11:36 on Sunday and I’m still in the office working.
May 22nd, 2011 at 11:41 pm
Testing, 1,2,3, Testing. Mic check.
May 22nd, 2011 at 11:42 pm
Well Mr. “D”,
You obviously don’t own a business. Big Business, Small Business, Any business can not allow their employees to take 50% of their revenue before expenses. If an employee asked me, wait, had his lawyer demand that I show him the books, he would have committed a grave error. I would calmly ask him to reconsider his position, then I would commence to firing and fighting, no questions asked. It’s MY business. It bears my name. I started it from nothing. I raised the Capital. I took the risk. I work weekends. I work nights. I work when you sleep. I work when you eat. I work when you vacation, and you have the audacity to ask to see my books, pay you half of all revenue. Well I got news for you brother. It will be a cold day in Hell, and I will fight to protect it with everything I have. How I spend my profits is my business. What charities I chose to donate to is my business. This is the United States of America son and you need to wake up. It’s 11:36 on Sunday and I’m still in the office working.
May 22nd, 2011 at 11:43 pm
Well Mr. “D”,
You obviously don’t own a business. Big Business, Small Business, Any business can not allow their employees to take 50% of their revenue before expenses. If an employee asked me, wait, had his lawyer demand that I show him the books, he would have committed a grave error. I would calmly ask him to reconsider his position, then I would commence to firing, no questions asked. It’s MY business. It bears my name. I started it from nothing. I raised the Capital. I took the risk. I work weekends. I work nights. I work when you sleep. I work when you eat. I work when you vacation, and you have the audacity to ask to see my books, pay you half of all revenue. Well I got news for you brother. It will be a cold day in Hades, and I will fight to protect it with everything I have. How I spend my profits is my business. What charities I chose to donate to is my business. This is the United States of America son and you need to wake up. It’s 11:36 on Sunday and I’m still in the office working.
May 22nd, 2011 at 11:44 pm
My comments if more than 1 line don’t post any more. Interesting.
Sorry about your luck “D”. Good luck in the unemployment line.
May 22nd, 2011 at 11:46 pm
It must have fallen under the category of rant or rave. Do we have a line limit now? I know Pete has written a couple of novels on here. I must being doing something wrong. I’m going for 3 lines here and holding my breath.
May 23rd, 2011 at 12:39 am
First of all, the minimum NFL salary is not $500K, it is actually $340K. That’s still a lot of money, but much less than half a million dollars. Not to mention practice squad guys have a minimum of about $60 K last I checked. These guys have very short careers, and many are so beat up mentally that they can’t remember their name, much less get a “real” job after they retire. Besides, I really hate the argument that they are paid too much. They are paid so much because they generate so much money, and they have a skill set that is extraordinary. The same applies for any line of work – the best of the best get paid for it. Hell, there is people in McDonalds making half a million dollars a year. I guarantee you that if you were contributing to a $9 Billion a year business, you would want to get a nice piece of that change too.
That being said, I am not on the players side on this dispute. I’m not on the owners side either. I’m on the side of the fans. We are the ones that get screwed. I love football season, and the thought of not having it makes me sick to my stomach. Get in the room and get a damn deal worked out.
May 23rd, 2011 at 12:43 am
BigMacAttack:
Joe dug out those comments from the spam filter. Not sure if you were using a new computer or not. Joe didn’t see any naughty words so it doesn’t appear that was the issue with why your comments went straight to the spam filter.
Sorry man. But here they are.
May 23rd, 2011 at 2:11 am
I think the fans should have the final say! Both sides are wrong.. The stadiums come from Tax payer dollars! The owners and players need to realize this and wtf just happened? We get no football and the NFL raises jersey prices in the worse economy in the past 80years!! I think the owners and players should lower both their costs..And for people who own a business… if you got a free building paid for bye us tax dollars..hmmm i think that would make turning a profit very easy!
May 23rd, 2011 at 7:12 am
The Player’s demands to see the books are silly, but blind adherence to the Owner’s side of the issue is silly as well.
If the owners had it their way, 2012 would be an 18 game regular season. This would be a sweet idea if athletes were robots and their bodies didn’t decay over the season, but thats not reality.
How long would our favorite Bucs stars have played if they were forced into 18 game seasons? I can guarantee that Ronde wouldn’t be playing right now and would have retired a few seasons ago, same goes to the Atrain, Sapp, Brooks. All would have had shorter careers due to wear and tear on their body.
One of the Player demands is good as well, and thats the retirement health care revision. I’ve read too many articles of Dave Pear’s blog to consider otherwise – many players need more healthcare assistance after they retire than what they are currently receiving from the league. Especially since these players are sustaining these injuries in the line of their job. In this multimillion dollar industry, I’m sure some money can be spared to help some old vets cope with their war wounds in their old age, lest we want more ex-NFL players pass away in their middle age -in their 40s and 50s.
May 23rd, 2011 at 7:18 am
Sorry, I only tried to post it once. It has happened to me a few other times lately, only reason I was checking. You can erase a couple of those, the other was on another thread again I probably punched it more than once after changing words etc. I wasn’t trying to repeat myself.
May 23rd, 2011 at 7:25 am
lol…now thats some funny stuff right there, lol
That’s not nearly as true as it use to be. These days nearly all NFL Players are mentally and physically able to start new careers after they retire from the game.
As much as we complain about Goodell and the new rules that are coming out, many of those rules over recent years have made the game safer for all players. The equipment today is safer than 15 years ago.
And everything about the game is going to get even safer as time and technology advances.
As such, todays athlete does not take nearly as much risk as yesterdays. But even if they did, lifetime medical coverage would be all I would think the NFL should have to be responsible for.
Another thing…if we were to take a poll of former football players in the last 10 years, I wonder how many of those without income and that are suffering financially are doing so because they chose not to complete their college education?
May 23rd, 2011 at 7:35 am
Hurray Pete! People tend to forget that these are ” college educated gentlemen” that certainly can get out and get a job or heaven forbid invest theyre money wisely in the first place!!!!!
May 23rd, 2011 at 7:36 am
10. 12. 14. 16.
That’s my answer to that.
4 times the number of games per season has increased, and each time was by 2 games. Moving to 18 games not only is a natural evolution of the game, but also allows the NFL to add more teams eventually, without having to move other teams. That’s why the Bucs are here today.
IF the nfl season went to 18 games, roster sizes would be increased and Preseason Games would be reduced by two games.
You get that right? Two games would be removed from the start of the preseason to add them to the end of the regular season…there really won’t be more games added…just shifted.
And, if it happens, teams would have fewer games to evaluate rookie talent, which would place more importance on doing so for the two remaining preseason games, meaning the vets would play even less in those.
So the idea that adding two games to the end of the season would harm the players is a myth.
May 23rd, 2011 at 8:08 am
The money is hard to imagine, but Gene Simmons of Kiss said he justified it like this- no matter what you do, if you can travel from city to city, and get 60-80 thousand people pay good money to watch you do it, then you must be worth it. Having been relatively poor, the guys in Kiss were actually having trouble justifying the money they were getting. So if you are a Carpenter, and you can fill arenas with you building prowess- then you are a million dollar Carpenter.
Gene Simmons relayed that story to me at a Lil Music store in Lakeland called ” Melody Music”, about 25 years ago. Making both he and I really old. At least I was alot younger than him ! Lol
May 23rd, 2011 at 8:24 am
Right noe Pete is my hero!
May 23rd, 2011 at 8:36 am
Capt Tim…Gene is correct. If you have an issue with the money playerts are making, stop watching sports. They only make what the market allows. Also, only public companies have to show their books. My employeer does not open the books so I can see if I am paid the right amount, so I have nmo problem with the NFL owners not opening their books…Now, stop the madness and start playing football!
May 23rd, 2011 at 8:38 am
Oh, and all you average American people, the pro athlete is not average, that is why they make the big money, to compare them to you and I is silly. If I could play a sport and make millions I would…I also spend my hard earned money so these guys can play a gmae, and I will continue to do so…
May 23rd, 2011 at 8:46 am
Your right theyre not average… Because there is a much higher percentage violating the laws of this country than the average citizen. I guess that makes them above average! Besides in all markets there can be a “Market correction” and it is high time for one here.
What in the hell makes you “McBuc” think for one second theyre special. They are not!
May 23rd, 2011 at 9:25 am
When people discuss NFL player contracts, I can’t help but think of some of the contracts that the larger-market MLB teams sign their players to. In a sense the lower budget teams, such as the Rays, are farm teams to the high budget teams, such as the Red Sox or Yankees. One example being Carl Crawford leaving to go to the Sox to get his payday.
I’m not as much of a baseball fan as I am a football fan, but in baseball communities do they argue over whether there should be salary caps and decreased money for their players?
I don’t understand the idea of trying to decrease the salaries of the very few people who can occupy a small niche requiring specific skills. If there wasn’t a monetary incentive for these guys to play as hard as they do, then we’d likely have a less entertaining game as fans.
May 23rd, 2011 at 9:30 am
Jlinc 162 games to 16… much greater opportunity for financial gain and small market teams have been screaming for a hard cap. Thats what the luxury tax concilation was ALL ABOUT.
May 23rd, 2011 at 1:37 pm
ATrain
They are special in their ability to play football better than the average person. They still have to follow the laws of the land, but to blame them for being paid well is childish. Stop watching and buying merchandise if you don’t like it. I have a bigger problem with CEOs of companies that send jobs and money over seas getting crazy amounts of money, but it is what it is.
May 23rd, 2011 at 1:39 pm
“These days nearly all NFL Players are mentally and physically able to start new careers after they retire from the game”
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How could you possibly know that? There are tons and tons of players that are recently retired (within the last 10 years or so) that are having issues. Also, even if the equipment is safer, these guys are considerably bigger and stronger than they used to be, so at best it evens out.
May 23rd, 2011 at 1:48 pm
“Your right theyre not average… Because there is a much higher percentage violating the laws of this country than the average citizen. ”
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Really? I highly doubt that. I would love to see actual facts that back up that statement, because I would be absolutely shocked if it were true. If you dislike them so much and feel they are criminals, why do you watch their games?
And yes, anyone with extraordinary talent is special. Aren’t you an I on this site a ridiculous amount of time discussing everything they do? Do we not watch every game, buy their merchandise, and throw hissy fits when they lose? If you saw Josh Freeman in your grocery store, I would imagine you would act differently than if you saw me in your grocery store. I get it that they are regular people, but to say they are not special is just plain false, and you know it.
May 23rd, 2011 at 8:36 pm
Amen Hawaiian. To demand that NFL players be paid at “normal” wages is ridiculous unless whoever is saying that can perform the job better himself. These players do not have common skills. The only out of control part of NFL player salaries is the lack of a rookie wage scale for the first couple of picks. The first 5 or 10 rookies shouldn’t be one of the highest paid players on a given team, as they are unproven players.
Also, seeing how some fans complain about players receiving multi-million dollar contracts… it makes me wonder how those same fans consider the coaches who are paid a million plus $ every season!