Dominik “Has To Say That”
May 2nd, 2011
Former Bucs guard Ian Beckles (1990-1996) was on fire this morning on the WDAE-AM 620 airwaves blasting out takes on the Bucs draft.
Beckles advised fans to not expect much from the Bucs defensive line this season and to wait for the youngsters to mature in 2012 and 2013. But he’s very upbeat on the D-line’s potential.
Beckles said Gerald McCoy following a serious injury “has got to start from scratch again,” and all we know about McCoy is that “he had three sacks and was getting better.” Beckles said McCoy was “improving from doing nothing” early in the season, so he has a lot to prove.
On Brian Price, Beckles said his injury woes are “excuses.” That may sound harsh, Beckles said, but “that’s what his coaches think … because that’s how NFL coaches are.”
Beckles likes the Adrian Clayborn pick in the first round, he says, largely because Clayborn seems to be a player stout against the run, something the Bucs desperately need.
And Beckles tossed a bucket of cold water on Da’Quan Bowers, telling fans to realize he fell from No. 1 because he has a bad knee. Beckles said Mark Dominik downplaying concerns about Bowers following the draft is simply spin. “He’s the GM. He has to say that,” Beckles said. “Bowers led the country in sacks. C’mon.”
Joe will save Beckles’ take on Barrett Ruud’s demise the Mason Foster pick for later.
May 2nd, 2011 at 1:26 pm
Boy does this guy like to rain on everyones parade. Who needs the pessimist when you can turn on the radio five days a week and get your fill.
May 2nd, 2011 at 2:06 pm
That radio show is WORST thing on the radio. Beckles and Diaz…Two Guys, One Brain, and total suckage.
May 2nd, 2011 at 2:07 pm
I am simply amazed that not a single media member didnt ask Dom this very obvious question: “given that every team passed on bowers, what did your team doctors know that the other 31 docs didnt?”
Just watched the NFL replay of our game againt the cards and 3 things stuck out to me:
1) we need Talib, badly. he made the plays when we needed them most. Because he was guarding fitz, they had to keep picking on biggers who was guarding breaston. without talib, we are big trouble.
2) GMC actually played well. There were many times when he beats the lineman and had nothing between him and the QB but was getting held. He will get better with time.
3) our o-line isnt much better than the d line. blount makes them look better than they are. we need to resign davin for sure, and let faine walk. zuttah was doing just fine. let Davin come back and compete and may the best man win as he gets beat badly sometimes as well.
May 2nd, 2011 at 2:07 pm
It’d be nice if Beckles would make a statement besides the obvious. You know not repeating statistics but making a prediction. Taking the negative approach is the safe way because going out on a limb would make him look foolish if proved wrong. I knew what he would say before he even said it. By stating the obvious he can say “I told you” if they do nothing this year or just as easily jump on the band wagon if they dominate.
My predictions is that Clayborn out performs all def ends on our team with Bowers coming on strong late in the season.
By the way, tomorrow is Tuesday. How’s that Ian?
May 2nd, 2011 at 2:08 pm
I heard this interview and Ian Beckles is a glass “half-empty” type personality. Later in that same segment Justin counterpoint was “Anthony Munoz” supposedly had the same issues and turned out a HOF career. The point was there was no way you pass up that value and not draft him. The only thing I agree with Ian on is his view on Ruud. Other than that he is a negative person but very football saavy during the season. I appreciate Justin’s analysis better.
May 2nd, 2011 at 2:09 pm
Hey Joe…for some reason I could not find the “email Joe” link. I wanted to ask about this article, it seems there are mixed reports on Bowers knee…
May 2nd, 2011 at 2:16 pm
McBuc:
joe@joebucsfan.com
May 2nd, 2011 at 2:18 pm
McBuc:
Nothing new in that link you posted. There has been debate between physicians what exactly is wrong with him.
You could also talk discuss this under the Bowers post Joe had earlier this morning.
May 2nd, 2011 at 2:19 pm
LOL, that figures it is that simple. I have read a bunch of articles, but most of the reports on the knee are bad.
May 2nd, 2011 at 2:19 pm
Thanks Joe, will do.
May 2nd, 2011 at 2:25 pm
Ian Beckles was once a decent guy. Once. When the show first started. But as he’s gained more experience and gotten older, he’s become more and more negative.
May 2nd, 2011 at 2:40 pm
Ian Beckles and Ron Diaz need Ron Bennington and to drop Ian HAHA
Hey guys stick with “Whos’ Birthday/Age is it?” That segment should be banned from the air waves. WTFC??
Chris, Joe killed the racial comment. No need for that here.
May 2nd, 2011 at 2:49 pm
That was racist? Where do I live??
May 2nd, 2011 at 2:57 pm
I guess when Ian goes on-and-on about being black and “only us black guys get it” attitude, well, I guess that’s not racist either.
May 2nd, 2011 at 3:07 pm
“I guarantee that the Bucs trade out of the 3rd pick because they won’t pay a guy 3rd pick money.” – Ian Beckles, prior to the 2010 draft.
Stick to pushing Green Eggs and Nature Bee. Though entertaining, Ron & Ian are basically the Man Show mixed with QVC. SPORTS talk radio doesn’t begin until noon in Tampa…
May 2nd, 2011 at 3:25 pm
@Hire Greg Olsen, You don’t like Sileo? Minus all the restaurant chatter and “Cane love it’s good for early a.m. .
May 2nd, 2011 at 3:59 pm
Meh my dial is locked on to NFL Radio on Sirius personally so I could really care less what the local dips spit.
May 2nd, 2011 at 4:13 pm
ian is spot on. get over it girls these first two picks were questionable b/c of a lack of production with injury in one case and injury in the other.
gmc was not getting to the qb b/c he was being held. lol. that is one of the more laughable excuses yet. face it: except for 2 games, he played like a 5th rounder.
i know that the scouts thought stocker was under-productive based on his measurables but i was okay with that pick. black might be a decent special teamer. foster can play but it will take years for him to equal ruud.
this team may not be improved if everything breaks the wrong way. with hindsight being 20/20 admittedly, you dont take defective clayborn if you know bowers will be there. i wish that they could have moved up for prince or maybe kerrigan. i would have gladly parted ways with the gaitor or black pick to move up a tad.
May 2nd, 2011 at 4:53 pm
Man, the way Ian was talking, you would think that he was talking about a team that placed 3rd in the division while playing the easiest schedule in the whole league.
May 2nd, 2011 at 5:14 pm
the_buc_realist
If you’re referring to the Bucs you’re way out. They didn’t even have the easiest schedule in the division – that was the Saints. And, outside the division, there were eight other teams with weaker schedules (Sagarin). That’s the reality – something a ‘realist’ ought to be familiar with.
May 2nd, 2011 at 5:54 pm
while this show is the subject of conversation let me add my two cents. stop listening. now. never listen again. i for one remember when late morning in tampa bay meant compelling sports radio. that hasn’t been the case in over 6 years. we deserve better than this show that belongs on tan talk. brokered radio if you will. stop listening and they will go away and perhaps we will be subjected to good radio once again. i’m positive a certain afternoon host is shaking his head in agreement as he reads these comments.
May 2nd, 2011 at 6:24 pm
show me what I said that was wrong? I’ll wait
May 2nd, 2011 at 7:06 pm
Pete you are right on about Beckles. He was great when he first took over for the late Chris Thomas. But since he has gotten worse and Ron Diaz is the same. Besides there show only mentions sports. Their either sounding desperate about women they want or talking about food or the birthday challenge. I’m for the Commish taking over. He knows the draft and knows the Bucs.
May 2nd, 2011 at 7:13 pm
Another one on the opinion car on the has been express!!!!!
You and Hovan deserve each other.
May 2nd, 2011 at 7:36 pm
Thomas, you are not fooling anyone. There is absolutely no one we could have drafted that you would have been happy with, especially in the early rounds. You have never mentioned a word about Kerrigan before, I find it funny that you bring him up NOW (after he was already picked), as if you had been wanting him all along. No matter what the Bucs do, you will never be happy. You can deny it all you want, but you, me, and everyone else knows it is 100% true. Don’t you think that’s pretty pathetic that you spend so much time on a board discussing a team that you will never be happy with? What do you gain in life from doing that? You pretend to be this big expert on all things football, yet you never played, coached, or had anything to do with football (or sports) your entire life. You are a FRAUD.
May 2nd, 2011 at 7:55 pm
thomas, i challenge you or anybody else to find me an instance where clayborn’s erbs palsy hindered him on the field.
May 2nd, 2011 at 8:06 pm
that’s true…some criticisms were:
1) He can only play on one side of the ball…um, from my knowledge of football (having played DL and LB in high school…I know, I know not big time), the DL changes assignment (like coverage and/or rush and/or contain) more than actual position. If a guy has a certain strength, you play to it…if a guy can dominate one side…why change?
2) Erbs palsy will hold him back…um, he had the condition his whole life. He’s had time to adjust and make up for it. Plus, he was still a very effective DE in college. That’s WITH his condition. A guy like that has to have an endless motor and be very determined…just the kind of guy who we want.
GO BUCS!
May 2nd, 2011 at 8:26 pm
Ian_620:
Not sure I read where someone said you were wrong. I personally said you are predictable. It’s hard to say you were wrong when you talked about stats and retold past events. All I’m saying is that you don’t bring anything new. You simply take the same approach every time. I listen to the show almost daily. In fact your opinion on players is usually correct (i.e. Gaines Adams) and that is what I personally want to hear from you. More insight on what you see from these players and less Debbie Downer.
May 2nd, 2011 at 8:29 pm
Hawaiian Buc and Bucbeliever…RIGHT ON!
May 2nd, 2011 at 9:00 pm
I think Dominick has no clue about Football, and we should all stop listening to him and follow Thomas & Ian, because they know more than anyone else on the planet. it is truly amazing that Ian is not in the Hall of Fame yet and that Thomas has not been hired to replace Raheem.
Seriously, Dom is a Film Guy. He puts less emphasis on measurables in shorts on more on the field of play. Clayborne shows up every time you see him. He clearly favors the right arm and has less mobility with it, but if a guy like that can make it to the NFL, he is a stud. That is a huge hurtle to overcome. Clayborne has a lot of drive and he works well with his slight handicap.
Bowyers can’t stay on the film because he jumps off of it on every play. I can’t believe that if Caddy could some back from his knee injuries that Bowers can’t come back from his. He has already played injured and through the pain. Why can’t he continue to do so, as a worse case scenario. I think he will heal up and blow the doors off the Bucs’ opponents. I think he will out perform Clayborne, GMC, Price and Miller but will make them all better in the process. The biggest difference should come from the new coaching. This was the missing link in the equation which Steve White pointed out each and every week.
I wonder who Thomas and Ian would have hired to coach the d line. Maybe uhhhhh Matt Millen???
And Go Freakin Lightning!!!
May 2nd, 2011 at 9:52 pm
Ian_620- You said a couple of things that were not only wrong but downright ridiculous.
For instance you claim that McCoy will have to start from scratch again? What did the bicep injury give him amnesia? Did he forget everything he learned in the first 13 games plus training camp? Ridiculous. McCoy played the vast majority of his rookie season and should come into year 2 picking up where he left off in week 13. He may have to get back in shape but the KNOWLEDGE is still there.
And BRIAN PRICE????? His injury is an excuse???? The dude wasn’t out there wanting to sit because of nagging little injuries like a stubbed toe or something. He had a major problem that required surgery to fix. The dude had to have his freaking hamstring stapled back onto the bone for god’s sake. EXCUSES????
May 2nd, 2011 at 9:54 pm
Ian_620,
With all due respect,
“I guarantee that the Bucs trade out of the 3rd pick because they won’t pay a guy 3rd pick money.” – Ian Beckles, prior to the 2010 draft.
May 2nd, 2011 at 10:07 pm
Ian, it’s not that you’re wrong but your body of work is always negative, overall. I like the show but I would like to hear your spin more positive sometimes. But you do have the right to express your personality.
May 2nd, 2011 at 10:18 pm
Clayborn, Bowers, Price, McCoy………………..who knows. Probably a real good one in the group, and likely one bust.
Not a Dom fan, but Ill give the man credit for taking a shot. He obviously likes high risk high reward.
I’m just hoping the Lightning win the cup with an old man in goal.
May 2nd, 2011 at 10:25 pm
How can you NOT be a Dom fan? What hasnt he done to make you think hes a bad GM?
May 2nd, 2011 at 10:33 pm
@D
Well I suppose I think the jury is still out. Not overly impressed with the 10-6 record given the schedule and manner of victories.
Just do not believe the man can produce a legit contender or championship.
However, in fairness to him the Glazer boys have tied his hands.
In general I am underwhelmed with our gm, ownership and our esteemed coach. Not a winner in the group IMO.
May 2nd, 2011 at 11:03 pm
eric, you have got to be kidding me. You are one of the only people in the F@CKING WORLD that could possibly think Mark Dominik is doing a bad job.
I know you’ve got a reputation to protect on this website as being a complete moron, but c’mon man.
May 2nd, 2011 at 11:04 pm
You have to give Dom credit just by the practice squad guys he picked up and converted into starters.
May 2nd, 2011 at 11:15 pm
hahahahaha eric youre such a tool. Even thomas gives Dom credit for being a good talent evaluator. Go be a Washington fan since the best GM ever Bruce Allen is there.
May 2nd, 2011 at 11:28 pm
@Chris FWC 🙂
I hope you were joking about Sileo. That guys got the moral standards of a snake. If you remove the Canes love, you have very little accurate football talk. More like smack talk.
May 2nd, 2011 at 11:45 pm
eric says:
“Not a winner in the group IMO.”
Sounds like JoeBucsFan Nation to me…
May 3rd, 2011 at 12:43 am
The problem with people like Eric and Thomas is that they will never admit when they are wrong, even though it benefits the team they supposedly cheer for and they should be happy to be wrong. When Eric proclaimed before last season we would only win 2 games, he refused to admit he was a moron, instead proclaiming the wins “lucky” and against “college teams”. Thomas has been wrong more times than you can count, yet if you ask him he would tell you otherwise. Even when he tried to argue that the Falcons had a much tougher schedule than us (by 6 games) and I pointed out to him otherwise, he still refused to admit he was wrong. It’s just the way they are, and they way they will always be. It’s still kind of fun arguing with them once you realize how much of a joke they really are. I love to read their comical responses to facts. People like that are never going to be satisfied. I guarantee you both of them would choose to have Raheem fired over winning a playoff game next year, just so they can feel like they are right. Pretty sad if you ask me.
May 3rd, 2011 at 1:57 am
Why even entertain eric? He is socially challenged behind a monitor and a keyboard. Please do not argue with a tree. If Dom and Raheem was not the real deal and the Bucs weren’t on their way then the credible coaches around the league would not be crazy about the future of this team and praising them because they are young and gushing with talent. I am a big Okam fan and I hope he becomes a force in the middle as a NT or even 3-technique with some quality coaching.
May 3rd, 2011 at 9:12 am
@ Pete, I guess a lil smack talk in the a.m. wakes me up. Both things I do like about Ian and Dan is the inside the lines stuff. Info only players can bring to the table. They both have that sport/teammate passion too.
May 3rd, 2011 at 3:42 pm
@Chris FWC 🙂
I go from 620 to 1010 to 1040 all the time…and there are a couple good shows you might want to check out, both with former Bucs as hosts.
For example, this Thursday morning from 8-10 two former Bucs will be hosting a show that will interview most of the new rookies. 1040 is the station.
Sometimes there are no better options and I listen to Sileo, but I cannot stand listening to Ian and Ron anymore. I once timed all their footback talk over a 3 hours show…and of that 3 hours, only 43 minutes was sports “related” (and some of that was more in an abstract sense).
Sileo gets my goat when he justifies steroids and all that, and when he talks about women (I’m a religious man, so I don’t enjoy sex talk with anyone but my wife).
I will say his Bin Laden comments were entertaining yesterday though 🙂
May 5th, 2011 at 10:16 am
Ian sure is waiting a long time to refute criticism. What a joke.