2008 Draft Now Nearly As Bad As 2007 Class
March 29th, 2011
Joe has already discussed how the Bucs draft of 2007 may have been one of the worst in franchise history.
Now that Bucs cornerback Aqib Talib’s job security with the team is in grave danger, Joe decided to look at the 2008 class, the year that Aqib Talib was selected 20th overall.
First round: Talib. His job status is, at best, flimsy.
Second round: The bad Dexter Jackson. Pppfffttt!
Third round: Jeremy Zuttah: Not bad. Zuttah very well could be starting for the Bucs next season. In limited spot starts in his three years with the club at right guard and at center, Zuttah has played admirably if not good.
Fourth round: Dre Moore. Pppfffttt! Joe chuckles when he remembers an editor of a certain Bucs publication claimed live on the air that Monte Kiffin was not missed by those in the front office of One Buc Palace because Kiffin would not play Moore. Can you imagine?
Fifth round: Josh Johnson. In Raheem Morris’ own words, “a career backup,” though valuable when used in specific situations.
Sixth round: Geno Hayes. If Talib’s days with the Bucs are indeed done, Hayes is the next person of concern for Bucs management as he has had run-ins with the law himself.
Seventh round: Cory Boyd. His only impact on the NFL was that he was Talib’s first victim and the first sign that Talib was a very troubled young man, perhaps possessed by inner demons.
Folks, is there any wonder why Bruce Almighty and Chucky were jettisoned? Above is Exhibit-A and Exhibit-B.
March 29th, 2011 at 5:52 pm
Maybe the biggest news with Talib’s situation is that he may have very well saved Barrett Ruud. Now, the Bucs have to draft a CB and will be more hesitant to draft a LB early to replace Ruud. And, if Ruud redeems himself, Talib may have saved Barrett’s career…
March 29th, 2011 at 5:56 pm
counld not find the part about “The Bucs…young Buc..genius GM…
silly me….
March 29th, 2011 at 6:20 pm
Geno hayes is an elite LB idc what anyone says. The dude makes plays. I dont think it is a bad draft since Hayes and talib were playmakers on D and zuttah looked really good at C. everything else PSHT!
March 29th, 2011 at 6:24 pm
The Bucs just scheduled a meeting with Prince Amukamara. Most mocks I see have him going in 10-15 range. We would most likely be trading up to grab him. There probably just being diligent, but Talib’s situation may have drastically changed Dom’s draft plan.
March 29th, 2011 at 6:33 pm
The real “Dennis the Menace” still has his job…
March 29th, 2011 at 6:35 pm
This makes me wonder. I always felt that politics led to the release of Cory Boyd. He was a kid that had shown promise in college. After that run in with Talib, he wasn’t heard from again.
Looking back, it doesn’t seem fair to the guy.
March 29th, 2011 at 7:19 pm
New reports say that his jail time would be from 2-20 years, not 5-20.
March 29th, 2011 at 8:14 pm
Bruce Allen was awful at drafting talent for this team. In the pantheon of bad Bucs drafts, Bruce’s rank up there with most. Yet most people heralded the guy only a few years ago. Many also thought Clayton would snap out of his perpetual slump too. Gotta love the Pewter Colored Glass contingent.
March 29th, 2011 at 8:17 pm
And for the umteenth time, we know and receive that the drafting under the prior regime was sad. Lets not relive that all over again.
March 29th, 2011 at 8:18 pm
Bruce Allen wasn’t the only problem when it came to the draft. Gruden was not good at evaluating college talent. He liked pro players only. Allen did help clear up the salary cap mess that Mckay left behind. As far as Talib goes, cut your losses now. Even if he is not convicted, he is a ticking time bomb and obviously can’t control himself.
March 29th, 2011 at 8:27 pm
Joe
Well, at least we can all thank god 2008 was the last time “Gru” was heading the Bucs’ warroom on draft day.
From here on its nothing but ponys and rainbows!!!!
March 29th, 2011 at 8:41 pm
Aqib will soon become someone’s bitch. I guess it’s true what they say about red flags. Maybe it’s time for the Bucs to change their colors again.
March 29th, 2011 at 8:43 pm
mobucs, dont be suprised if amukamara slips down to the 20th pick for the bucs. i was starting to think he was a legitimate target for the bucs even before this mess with talib.
March 29th, 2011 at 8:48 pm
this will set the team back for years. i cant even think about how bad we will get beat deep this year
March 29th, 2011 at 9:01 pm
bucyou51,
Joe hasn’t told you? We have EJ BIGGERS! on our team. This is nothing to worry about. Personally, I’m more worried about the impending Jeremy Zuttah contract extension talks.
March 29th, 2011 at 9:45 pm
We were 4-1 without him I wish he could work out but everytime a player in the secondary goes down we rally behind the next player.I dont know if it is me but I swear Talib got beat more than any other Buc not named Sabby.Hes a good player but he really gambled alot.
March 29th, 2011 at 9:50 pm
@gotbbucs: There is a 0.000001% chance that Amukamara gets past Houston…
March 29th, 2011 at 10:29 pm
2 of not many picks that Gruden/Allen made that were actually money on the field wise (tanard/talib) have handicapped this team by creating needs that shouldnt be there. Imagine if these guys had their ishh together and we had Tanard with Lynch back there and Talib planted as CB1. Looking good in the secondary. But not so much now
I dont think we should cut Talib just like shouldnt Tanard but we shouldnt resign them either unless some unlikely massive revival happens (talking more tanard then talib) and should plan futures without them. Cant count on them
March 29th, 2011 at 10:54 pm
Ah the usual bashing of Super Bowl winning Jon Gruden.
Wonder when the boy wonder GM and outstanding Field General Raheem will bring home a Division Title?
If not this year is it time for a Jettison? Will our distinguished host call for a jettison? Or, is the Chucky Three time Division Champ, NFC Champ, and Super Bowl Champ standard a might too high? (along with most wins in Bucs history).
Year three awaits. Chucky has been gone for awhile. Excuses are over.
Perhaps Rah should have a bit more control of his star players? After all, this train wreck did not occur on Gru’s watch, did it? Something about getting the most out of the players you do have – and team discipline and leadership. I guess you don’t get jettisoned for not having that……………….
March 29th, 2011 at 11:04 pm
Actually, Eric, it didn’t occur on Raheem’s watch either. Not sure if you heard, but there is currently a lockout in the NFL. Players are not allowed to communicate with their coaches. As I said in a previous post, I do not blame Gruden for this in any way. However, it is equally as ignorant to blame it on Raheem as well.
How many times are you going to mention the division title thing? Do you just copy and paste the same statements over and over? You know, if I didn’t know any better, I would think you wanted Raheem to fail. But nah, that couldn’t be the case.
March 29th, 2011 at 11:17 pm
“Wonder when the boy wonder GM and outstanding Field General Raheem will bring home a Division Title?
Based on what you saw last year improvement wise and the talent that “wonder GM” has brought in with basically just the draft, I have no idea how you use this as a point of argument
March 29th, 2011 at 11:26 pm
Hawaiianbuc,
Well if blame is going to be thrown toward Super Bowl winning and multiple Division Champ Coach Gruden for Talib’s behavior three years after his departure, I would think the current coach would at least be equally to blame. He was even Talib’s position coach.
Glad you agree with me that Joe’s assertions and conclusions in this regard are ludicrous.
March 29th, 2011 at 11:40 pm
This isn’t Gruden’s fault. Talent wise, Talib was an excellent selection by him. You can’t blame Gruden for Talib’s constant stupidity. He’s an adult, he should be able to discipline himself! It’s is his fault and no one else’s. Same with Tanard Jackson.
I really hope we can keep Talib. God, how awful would it be to lose both him and T-Jack in the same offseason. With another possible hole to fill on our team, it might be wise to re-sign Ruud. Hey, at least he’s not a troublemaker and has his head on right.
March 30th, 2011 at 12:45 am
Obviously cant blame Gruden for a dumba$$ doing this type of thing but it is interesting that 2 of arguably the best picks that were money from them are hurting our team off the field. I mean look at those drafts!! talib and tanard are major major bright spots on otherwise horrendous drafting
March 30th, 2011 at 12:49 am
Gavster- Hayes is an elite LB? Wow, that is your lol secret. Most people who watched his tape last year though he wouldn’t fight thru blockers! Think he was very. Weak against the run and needs replaced. And that’s not even factoring in his own run on with law.
Poor Eric! Every post about how badly that lol midget and his buddy screwed up the team is soooo hard on him! He takes badly, like someone just botchslappwd his wife or something! I kinda feel bad for him, as the evidence at this point is so conclusive. It’s like every saying your wife is ugly. You defend her, but ya keep ending up with a yard fulla stone statues, from that Medusa’s gaze! Bout where Eric and His love chucky are at!
March 30th, 2011 at 6:38 am
Some coaches inspire good players to play great.
Some inspire great players to the Hall of Fame.
Some inspire World Championships.
Others inspire pistol whipping and gunfire……………………………………….
March 30th, 2011 at 7:17 am
Here I was thinking Talib was a Allen/Kiffen pick…
I love where Raheem and Dominick are taking this team, but anyone that doesn’t see that discipline is becoming an issue is purposely blind.
Sure, you can make the excuse that it’s a lockout and Raheem has no control over Talib. But Talib’s previous issues were not during a lockout, and neither were all three of Tanards issues, or Trueblood causing us games a copuple years ago because he was getting penalties for his voilent attitude and actions.
Neither was there a lockout when Stevens was dealing weed to Tanard and whoever else his customers were.
Wake up, people. Think back to the years the Bengals had all those players getting in trouble and do a little research. How many incidents did they have compared to the Bucs now? We mocked them, yet here we are, travelling that same road.
It’s a valid concern, and even though Eric and company is using it to further his own agenda, the issues with the team still exist.
I’m not about to claim either Raheem or Dominick should be replaced, heck no, but they do need to find a way to make it clear to these players that this will not be tolerated.
That said…
Even if they could release Talib during the lockout, I would not recommend it. A rash action like that would just hurt the team. Cover your bases and start working toward replacing him, but wait out the charges and see if they stick.
I suspect the charges will end up being dropped. If this happens, Talib could still be suspended, possibly for a year seeing that he was already in the program and this is a third offense (technically a 4th if you count the cab driver and fighting on the field).
There is always the chance that he will see there errors of his ways and have a life changing moment. The fact that his mother was also involved raises the question of his upbringing as well. He could have a Michael Irving moment and turn things around.
But the Bucs should at least make him expendible.
March 30th, 2011 at 8:38 am
Lets see, you have player A drafted by Raheem who is currently on mission trips doing something to help mankind then you have player B drafted by Gruden pistol whipping fools like he’s Eazy E. There’s only so much Rah can do. You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink
March 30th, 2011 at 8:48 am
“Many Bucs fans mocked Joe for his insistence that pining for Bucs rock star general manager Mark Dominik to sign Nnamdi Asomugha is crazy talk….Yes, the Bucs secondary is in good hands…Joe hopes this silliness would just fade away.”
-Joe
More sage wisdom from our fearless blogger , JoeBucsFan. LOL
March 30th, 2011 at 8:56 am
Nick:
Make sure you read a post Joe has scheduled for 9 a.m.
March 30th, 2011 at 10:35 am
@ Pete,
The Bengals had 15+ arrests in a little over a season. Weve had maybe 5 since Rah took over. Horrible horrible comparison dude.