FOX Looks At Bucs Loss
December 20th, 2010Dick Stockton and Charles Davis look at the Bucs’ galling, playoff-killing loss to the rebuilding since 1957 Detroit Lions and “miserable” Drew Stanton in this FoxSports.com video.
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Dick Stockton and Charles Davis look at the Bucs’ galling, playoff-killing loss to the rebuilding since 1957 Detroit Lions and “miserable” Drew Stanton in this FoxSports.com video.
December 20th, 2010 at 4:50 pm
From Patty Y’s NFC South blog:
“Green Bay presently has the lead on Tampa Bay because the Packers presently rank ahead of the Bucs in strength of victory.”
Turns out, strength of victory DOES MATTER!
December 20th, 2010 at 6:35 pm
JUST REALIZED: IF BUCS WIN OUT, GIANTS WIN THIS WEEK, AND SAINTS LOSE THIS WEEK AGAINST FALCONS, WE GO TO PLAYOFFS!!!! Seems far-fetched, but really isn’t that much…
December 20th, 2010 at 6:51 pm
So the Saints have to lose the last two AND the Bucs have to beat them in the last game?
That’s what most people would call, mathematically out of it!
Statistically speaking, faaaagetttaboutit!
December 20th, 2010 at 7:09 pm
Under all the scenarios, the bucs have to beat the Saints to make it in?
December 20th, 2010 at 7:28 pm
Yep, Bucs have to beat the Saints to get in. If we’re not mathematically out of it when we start the Saints game in week 17, that would be about as impressive as you could possibly expect from a rebuilding team in their 2nd year of the rebuild after a 3-13 season last year, even with a “weak” schedule. Seriously, if we’re 9-6 going into that game and lose, we’re out of the playoffs at 9-7. That’s exactly where we were 2 years ago in week 17. Playoffs on the line in week 17. What’s wrong with that?
December 20th, 2010 at 7:50 pm
Nuttin wrong with it. I didn’t think the last guy that got to 9-7 should have been fired, so i don’t think Rah deserves it either.
But, in 2011 the training wheels are off and to be consistent he needs to be held to the same standard as the previous two fired bucs headcoaches. (actually 3)
Only fair right?
December 20th, 2010 at 9:01 pm
what wat? You guys talkin PLAYOFFS again?
December 20th, 2010 at 9:57 pm
The Bucs released Donovan Raiola. That’s what he gets for his brother running his big mouth.
December 20th, 2010 at 10:31 pm
By all means, next year we should all see major steps forward. All these young players getting playing time this year should come back next year even stronger. If not, then the coaching staff should be held accountable. I think some should be held accountable this year. Todd Wash hasn’t shown me anything so far. The only improvement I’ve seen on the D-line at all was McCoy, and that’s got a lot to do with his natural ability. I don’t think Sylez, or Bennett or Crowder are any better at all.
2011, big improvements or they should make the change. I wouldn’t settle for less than the playoffs next year.
December 20th, 2010 at 10:53 pm
@BamBamBuc
In a most unusual Joebucsfan.com development, we are in complete agreement.
December 20th, 2010 at 11:30 pm
Let’s go Vikings!
Basically, we want every NFC team to lose. Everything helps.
December 20th, 2010 at 11:38 pm
The fact of the matter is this:
-The Bucs had a super easy schedule this year
-They had a lot of luck, with a lot of close game wins
-The offense led by Josh Freeman has come together way ahead of schedule
This all lead to some early wins.
But for 2011, they could easily:
– A have a tougher schedule
-Less luck, where they don’t win the close ones
-And more defensive problems where they start paying the price for poor tackling mainly by being horribly out of position due to dumb play calling
And that could all happen with the same team still growing and learning.
What it all means is they shouldn’t truly be expected to win a division next year, or even get to the playoffs. The next goal would be to start beating good teams. Then, winning with a tough schedule.
This team still has a lot of growing to realize, and expecting them to seriously contend next year, with a tougher schedule isn’t really fair.
Especially with the sh!tty coaching we got. Now throw in a real coach and things could be much different.
But to expect so much out of a young team in 2011 as if teams in the NFL grow at a linear pace, isn’t being realistic. But, if it gets Raheem removed as HC, then I am all for the scrutiny. 🙂
December 21st, 2010 at 12:50 am
That does seem pretty fair to me too Eric. The only thing I would disagree with you is that I really don’t think Gruden was fired for going 9-7. I really think it was more of a philosophical difference with the owners (they wanted to go young, he didn’t). No one really knows, but it does appear to make the most sense of all the different rumors I have heard.
For next year, I think it’s going to be really hard to fire a coach with this young of a team if he has 8 or 9 wins. You just rarely see it happen, unless the team has championship aspirations, which I don’t think we do for 2011 (realistically still a couple years away, but I hope I’m wrong). It is going to be very hard to lure big name coaches if they feel ownership has unrealistic goals. But like you said, they did fire Gruden after 9 wins, so I really can’t bit*% and moan too much if it does happen.
And Buc You, for you to call a coach shi**y is really shi**y on your end, but I would expect nothing less. You don’t know jack sh** about football or coaching, so your biased opinion is irrelevant. You just come on this site to spew hatred, and it is really getting old. Is Raheem perfect, absolutely not. He’s made his share of mistakes, and he will continue to make them for the rest of his coaching career. But I got news for you genius, even the best coaches make mistakes. Every coach has made decisions that have cost his team games. However, Raheem has done a phenomenal job this year overall considering all the circumstances (injuries, youth, inexperience, etc.), and he is more than deserving to coach this team next year. You will not find one qualified person to disagree with that statement. Again, while you are screaming for him to be unjustly fired, think about what that does to him, his family, as well as the other coaches and their families. For what, because you don’t think he knows what he’s doing? Fu&*^ng idiot!
December 21st, 2010 at 1:02 am
Buc You,
I’ll say it again, the schedule has very little to do with winning a division. It probably has more to do with getting a wild-card, since that is a competition between divisions. We will have the exact same teams to play as Atlanta, New Orleans, and Carolina. All four teams will only have two games that are different from the rest.
I don’t see Atlanta or New Orleans dropping off, but you never know when or who the injury bug will hit. This year we’ve been hit pretty hard. Next year, who knows? Even then, I do think the Bucs will be even better next year. Due to injury, the backups got serious playing time this year. That can go a LONG way in providing depth. Depth is critical when those injuries happen, so we will be much better prepared to handle that next year.
The offense is ahead of schedule, but there is still more growing to do there. Another off-season of Freeman with Benn and Williams and Stroughter getting timing down and routes refined. A full off-season working with Blount on blitz pickup, pass routes, and short yardage offense. Even if they’re only a little better next year, it’s still gonna be dangerous.
The defense, well, they’ll be healthier first and foremost. We should see GMC continue to improve, and I think we’ll see a lot more improvement from Price than one might think from a guy that’s been on IR so long. He’s remained in Tampa, and he should be getting plenty of time to study the game this year. We’ve seen Grimm play well, and could have TJ back. Biggers and Lewis have gotten a good amount of field time and should only get better. We’ll have to see what they do at DE and LB in the off-season, but the D should be improved. Maybe not the Tampa D we’re used to, but better than they are this year.
Our schedule next year will be the NFC North (GB, Min, Chi, Det) and the AFC South (Ind, Jax, Hou, Ten). We’ll have some really good teams to face, but not the defensive powerhouses we’ve seen this year. Our other two games will be either Dallas or Washigton and whoever ends up 3rd in the West (which could be anyone at this point, and who really cares, it’s the NFC West). I think this is a perfect schedule to keep growing and getting better. Good teams, but not necessarily the Ravens or Steelers, and we don’t have to face the AFC or NFC East like last year.
That’s another thing… everyone keeps talking about how easy this schedule is, and they aren’t as good as the record because it’s easy teams. Last year we faced the entire NFC East (Phi, Dal, NYG, Wash) and AFC East (NE, NYJ, Mia, Buf). Not exactly an easy schedule, and one home game was played in London against the Patriots. If this year we aren’t as good as the record because of the schedule, then last year we weren’t as bad, because the schedule was VICIOUS.
December 21st, 2010 at 9:24 am
@BBB totally agree, don’t forget we also get Huggins back from IR next season, add him to our backfield and it becomes very dangerous. We really need at least 2 DEs in this draft, I’m not as worried about LBs, and I’ll tell you why, we have 5 in rotation right now, and while they are not the greatest corps in the world, they ain’t the worst either, but with an improved d-line, their play will improve. I am more worried about a replacement for Ronde, I feel we may need to go into FA to get one that will carry us through a season or two while our youngsters get better, we have Aqib and his a Pro Bowl caliber corner, so while we are not weak at the position we will suffer if Ronde decides to hangem’ up or even if his play drops off. I also hope TJack has learned his lesson and we bring him back, b/c I feel pretty confident with him and Grimm roaming center field next season.
December 21st, 2010 at 10:01 am
Although I think we’ll be a better team, I don’t think that we’ll have a better record than this year due to the schedule.
December 21st, 2010 at 10:40 am
NFC North (GB, Min, Chi, Det) and the AFC South (Ind, Jax, Hou, Tenn)
If we play them, then you will see a lot less of the “great coaching” as you like to incorrectly describe the luck the Bucs have realized with the easy schedule.
Why don’t you just admit the schedule was easy??? Don’t you realize that the Packers beat us in a tie breaker today because of strength of victory???
Next year will be much more tough and since Raheem has proven to be a jello bowl against decent teams, well then, we will be in for a long and poorly coached season.
Oh well, might as well wait and watch it all happen. For now, you have the entire off season to gloat. Enjoy it. But it resembles the off season when Shaun King was supposed to be the future QB, or similarly when Chris Simms was supposed to be the future. I have zero warm fuzzies about Rah Rah.