Some Blame Falls On Lack Of Film Study
October 20th, 2010
Do the Bucs have a few too many slackers on defense?
Geno Hayes spoke Monday about how it was obvious that some of his teammates weren’t watching enough film, during his appearance on Total Access on the Buccaneers Radio Network.
Essentially, without Joe quoting all the detailed Xs and Os discussed, Hayes explained that it’s apparent on film which players are recognizing things before they happen and which aren’t. And that’s a direct result of film study, he said. Host and former Buccaneers tight end Dave Moore backed up Hayes saying it was always obvious in his day who was and wasn’t watching enough film.
“That’s why the average player plays under four year,” Moore said. “Some guys are professional and some aren’t.”
Asked by a caller what Bucs do their homework, Hayes said he doesn’t know what kind of film study guys do on their own time but added that he, Ronde Barber and Barrett Ruud watch a tremendous amount film. Hayes added that Barber has “his little office” and is a fixture in it watching film and always ready to talk football with him.
Moore told listeners that Hayes is on pace for more than 20 tackles for a loss this season, up from 14 last year. “That’s no coincidence. That’s film study,” Moore said.
Given how young the Bucs are, Joe is hardly surprised that their film study work ethic is coming under fire.
More than a year ago, Hayes admitted that he didn’t want much film as a rookie in 2008, and Derrick Brooks later got him on the right path.
Joe hopes the Bucs have enough vocal veterans — and the coaching influence — to quickly impact the young Bucs about what it takes to succeed in the NFL.
October 20th, 2010 at 11:37 am
I wonder if McCoy watches film and tweets at the same time?
Anyone want to guess how much film Greg White watches? Hey Joe I wonder if SpongeBob counts as ‘film’ watching? 😉
October 20th, 2010 at 11:38 am
Well we know one thing there are no vocal veterans on the sideline just guys sitting on the bench with their heads hanging down
October 20th, 2010 at 11:56 am
I think we need to sign Sapp…theyll be so sick of him bithing them out theyll start watching just to get him to shut up…
🙂
October 20th, 2010 at 11:58 am
OK lack of film study falls directly on the head coach. Also as I remember Raheem took the blame for Aqib Talibs first quarter interception that put us in a 7-0 hole to the super bowl champions and said he made a check call that was not communicated properly. I was feeling pretty good about our coaching getting some false sense of security but now I am going back to what Dennis Green once said. “they are who we thought they were!!!.” Bill Cowher we are callilng you!!!
October 20th, 2010 at 12:08 pm
Nick2…Film study has nothing to do with the head coach. Film study is done on players time. Dave Moore played for Dungy and Grude, and he says he could always tell who was studying film. man, at some point the players have to step it up. This is not a high school team! Even college players that study film excell, but it is not needed as much. I am sure the coaches go over film with the team, but the “study” part is on each player. Think of it as homework.
October 20th, 2010 at 12:24 pm
Joe, this is really good stuff. Thanks for bringing all these tidbits from player and coach comments alike and consolidating them on JBF.
It makes getting your news more efficient than ever.
Thanks.
And these quotes as a whole are pretty telling.
October 20th, 2010 at 12:30 pm
Geno is small. He isn’t big enough to stop the run on a consistant basis. Sure he can make a splash play here and their, but he isn’t helping the 32 ranked run defense at all.
October 20th, 2010 at 12:38 pm
I always wondered about this film study thing. Why aren’t players forced to study film. It makes no sense. Why is something so important left to the players own devices. I guess if guys don’t study film you could bench them even if they are the best player at that position. Might hurt you in the short term but it would create an atmosphere where guys would realize they have to do the film study if they want to start.
October 20th, 2010 at 12:38 pm
I hate to say this but I think it is Coach Morris and Coach Molson that need to study more film, or at least learn how to understand the films. When we are on defense they say our linemen are all double teamed and we get run on. When we are on offense our linemen are all double teamed and we can’t run on them. What works for other teams somehow will not work for us, or at least never gets tested. This is what we do, period. The results are what they are, often $h!t. I still think the problem is correctable, coaching, scheming, and not soft players. Having said that, Sean Payton made Raheem look like a total idiot rookie HC, out of his league by a Universe and a half.
October 20th, 2010 at 12:40 pm
Not hating, just observing, and Go Bucs!
October 20th, 2010 at 12:44 pm
@ Derf
Does teen wolf or any 80s and 90s movie counts? If so he is probably watching a great amount. I hope we get a real veteran DE with good work ethics because White is a bad influence to this young DL.
Joe- what happened to all that I practice soft but play hard on gameday bullsh!t? Call his @ss out Joe, call him out.
October 20th, 2010 at 12:48 pm
Joe here,
k_bassuka – Too early to call him out.
October 20th, 2010 at 12:54 pm
Have a closed door, players only meeting and (respectfully) call guys out – demand excellence.
October 20th, 2010 at 1:04 pm
@ BigMacAttack, the first step is admitting to the problem.
Sir, you are on your way to recovery.
Raheem is a great guy. A positive guy. A energetic guy.
But when it comes to the weekly grind of the season, with game planning and coaching the plan, popping off to someone about how they “Need to be their best self” gets old REAL fast. No player wants to hear that Rah Rah crap.
They want a real commander who knows whatthe hell he is doing. They want to trust that the coach has a gameplan that can beat the other team’s game plan. What motivates players is knowing that their is a solid game plan and then solid alternative paths that can be taken through game time adjustments. They play with confidence that the team is all on board with a successfull approach, a PLAN to beat the other team’s schemes.
Football is more of a chess match than any other sport out there, hands down. Football takes a MASTER COORDINATOR to organize 50+ men into a concerted effort to execute the plan. The head coach needs to have everyone prepared to execute that plan as well.
I mean, I can’t say it enough, it takes a special kind of individual with a multitude of dynamic characteristics that make up an NFL head coach. The good ones are master communicators, top notch planners, detailed preparers, and excellent in the heat of the moment decision makers. You do all that and motivation is easy… because the players believe.
Rah Rah Rah guys with no substance always fail during the season grind.
October 20th, 2010 at 1:54 pm
McBuc I have to disagree with you. If you have players not showing initiative to do things like film study you call them out. Raheem was quick to give Freeman praise for film study late into the night but if your defense is sucking wind as bad as we have been (near last in rushing defense) you implore your defense to get into the film room to do some study on the opponent. If you think the head coach just calls the plays and has nothing to do with players taking initiative to spend extra time understanding their opponent then your wrong. Studying filme is huge and all the players should be doing it. If I am getting paid millions then I think I can take some free time to study my opponent so I can look good on Sundays. If I am a lazy SOB I would expect to get called out at some point or perhaps just not played.
October 20th, 2010 at 4:54 pm
Nick2…Michael Vick just said that the difference in his game now from his game in ATL is film study, he never studied film in ATL. We do not know if the coqach said “get in their and study film” or not, but anyone can sit in a film room and do nothing, just like they can claim to do it at home and do it half assed. These are adults, they need to be held to some accountability. I present for a living, and my boss has never demanded that I practice in front of a mirror or watch Steve Jobs videos, these are things a pro has to do for themselves. Please disagree, that is what makes the world go around, but players have talked about this for years. Some study some do not, just Like Moore said “that is why the average NFL carreer is 4 years.”