Bucs Cut Starter Keydrick Vincent
October 29th, 2010
The Keydrick Vincent experiment is over. The big veteran left guard championed by so many Bucs fans as the savior to replace allegedly overmatched Jeremy Zuttah is now back on his couch.
Surely, this will stun many fans who were so quick to throw Zuttah under the bus before his third season because they believed foolish rumormongering and anonymous inside sources that were trashing young Zuttah.
Yes, Joe has always been in Zuttah’s corner.
Joe is surprised though that Vincent was flat out cut. Is he not a better backup guard than rookie Ted Larsen, who made his first start last week in place of Vincent who had back spasms? Apparently not.
The Bucs just got a lot younger. And Mark Dominik’s veteran free agent scorecard just took another hit.
Per Twittering expert Rick Stroud, of the St. Pete Times, center Jeff Faine is on track to return against Atlanta in nine days and Zuttah will reclaim his starting left guard spot after filling in for Faine on Sunday. Larsen would then go back to the bench, so Tweeted Stroud.
Bucs sign T Will Barker from their practice squad. Team has hope C Jeff Faine might return next week vs. Atlanta. J Zuttah would start LG
Again, Joe is stunned that the Bucs have gone so thin and young on the O-line. Vincent must have looked pretty bad on film.
October 29th, 2010 at 11:46 am
you were right all along joe
October 29th, 2010 at 12:11 pm
Damn these guys don’t mess around,either perform or get the hell out.
October 29th, 2010 at 12:23 pm
I smell a rat…there must have been some “philosophical” differences between Vincent and the coaching staff/linemates.
October 29th, 2010 at 12:23 pm
Joe, I don’t think this negatively impacts Domick’s FA record (not that is spectacular to begin with), other than the fact the Bucs are now paying him to sit at home. No one should expect big things from a guy that was brought in during the middle of training camp for next to nothing (relatviely speaking of course).
He was brought in for depth (even though he did start a number of games), and after 7 weeks in the season, it’s been determined that the younger depth available to us is a better option (and I am sure a big part of the reason they’re veiwed as a better option is because they are available to play).
Clearly, if Dominick’s FA record matched his draft record, we’d be looking like a much stronger team, but I wouldn’t consider this a strike against him.
October 29th, 2010 at 12:23 pm
I hope we keep Zuttah as the backup center/guard and not let him back on the first line, I do remember him getting his ass kicked in Pre-Season.. Larsen or Baker or Carter at LG they are all bigger and stouter than Zuttah. He has done a good job at center from what I have heard and seen, keep him there. I think that we have forgotten him getting Blown up all over the place in Pre-season run blocking & pass blocking. Or maybe it is just me who recalls this.
October 29th, 2010 at 12:28 pm
Wonder if Jimbuc will comment on this one?
October 29th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
Joe, couldn’t this be one of those deals where a vested veteran is cut, only to be resigned the next Monday since his salary is garunteed?
October 29th, 2010 at 12:38 pm
The first part of this article was pure “Seeee, I told you so.” Very childish.
Zuttah has been decent at Center but has still been a weak guard when subbing in. Vincent proved to be ill-conditioned and the injury didn’t help. Also was weak as a pass blocker.
October 29th, 2010 at 12:42 pm
For my good friend OAR:
Joe, Joe, Joe . . . the king of revisionist history:
FACT — Zuttah was beat out (by a guy who has since been cut, ouch)
FACT — Zuttah is playing Center now, not Guard.
The ” foolish rumormongering and anonymous inside sources that were trashing young Zuttah” (Joe thinks it was only PR, but actually also the Times) were also saying that those same source were saying what, Joe? That Zuttah was better suited for center. At Guard, Zuttah was unfairly compared to Sears.
Still cannot figure out if Joe is sleeping with Zuttah’s agent or if Joe is just angry with PR? Maybe both? Joe?
(j/k Joe)
October 29th, 2010 at 12:42 pm
Vincent was cut do to a back problem, right?
October 29th, 2010 at 12:43 pm
Oops (due)
October 29th, 2010 at 12:44 pm
While he hasn’t been playing lights out ball, I wonder if his release has more to do with his injury. I’m curious if there was an injury settlement.
October 29th, 2010 at 12:45 pm
I wonder if Raheem and Mark Dominick prayed about this decision…
October 29th, 2010 at 12:47 pm
Good points JimBuc!
October 29th, 2010 at 12:56 pm
I’m thinking the team likes what they’ve seen from Larsen and Brandon Carter in practice. Are they as good as Vincent? Probably pretty close, close enough to cut Vincent and let the younger guy play. Also, I wonder if Dominik doesn’t have his eye on some other young guy to bring in on the practice squad and felt the need to bring a guy up to make room. He’s done a pretty good job of finding practice squad guys that can play. Either that, or the “injury” is more than what anyone thinks. He may actually have an injury (I thought it was back spasms and would be gone in a week) that is more serious than at first thought (maybe herniated disc or something and they worked out an injury settlement). Or it’s not really an injury at all, he’s just in Morris’ dog house and wasn’t ever getting out.
October 29th, 2010 at 12:59 pm
I like the fact that they pulled the plug quickly if in fact they had made the decision. Let Larson get his feet wet. and by the end of the year He will be an able sub.
October 29th, 2010 at 1:00 pm
If Zuttah has another good game, I’d keep Faine on the bench. Zuttah is young and smart and center seems a natural fit, not to mention he does a very good job snapping the ball. I like the young linemen moving in and Barker is 6-7 325. Dom said they didn’t have these 3 young kids when they signed Vincent, They have all progressed well enough to play on the offense and Vincent was expendable, and hurt. This may help energize Davin and Penn has been the Rock of Gibraltar.
October 29th, 2010 at 1:05 pm
One nice thing about this rebuilding process is that very few jobs are secure.
#5 is though. He reminds me of Superman, the Man of Steel, but I don’t think Kryptonite would phase him.
October 29th, 2010 at 1:07 pm
Futon Reformer:
Perhaps.
October 29th, 2010 at 1:10 pm
JimBuc you are a sad, sad sack.
YOUR BOY, just got cut. Zuttah is now starting. You personally attacked Joe and dragged this non-issue out with him.
Hilarious how Joe was right ALL ALONG, despite your ” foolish rumormongering and anonymous inside sources that were trashing young Zuttah”.
Classic.
This AND being wrong about Penn, buddy, you are 0-2.
October 29th, 2010 at 1:21 pm
Buc You — you are apparently as stupid as I thought.
October 29th, 2010 at 1:28 pm
Hey D-Rome your a big man not needing to pray about anything .. You are hardcore …
As far as Zuttah he is a MUCH better Center than he is a Guard … Zuttah is as good as Faine from what he has shown me so Far
October 29th, 2010 at 1:30 pm
For the seriously slow set (thanks to Capt. Tim for that reference):
1. Was it in the Bucs best interest to have Zuttah start a Guard? YES
2. Did Zuttah get beat out by a guy that has now been cut? YES
3. Is Zuttah playing center now? YES?
I know that the slow set, people like Buc You (Javier? RahDom? Why so many name changes) are so angry that they are blind to the facts, but c’mon now. Think a little bit.
How about a #4, just for the seriously SLOW Buc You:
4. Did JimBuc says the Penn holdout talk was “much ado anout nothing” and that Penn would play? YES
5. Is Penn playing? YES
6. Did Penn get a big guarnateed deal he was seeking? NO
Like I said, as stupid as I thought . . . .
October 29th, 2010 at 1:31 pm
javto24 — I think you’re right. At Center, Zuttah looks almost as good as Faine. If he keeps playing this way until Faine gets back, he may get the job, eventually.
October 29th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
JimBuc – Says Zuttah will move to guard when Faine returns in ths story and in the Times. …WHy are you so sure Zuttah got beat out and it just wasn’t the higher ups screwing up and trying play “their” guy. That happens all the time.
You lost this one. Disticntly remember you going on about roadgrader Vincent, etc.
October 29th, 2010 at 1:55 pm
On and on and on about Vincent. Too funny.
You lost again Jimmy.
I think it is even more sad that you continue to defend yourself. I always knew you were a pompous PR!ck and this thread just reinforces this fact.
LMAO @ Jimmy!!!
October 29th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
Pete W — Just think about what you are saying. Why in the world would the Bucs want to have to spend money on Vincent? They wanted Zuttah to start and he could not beat out Vincent AT GUARD. Also, “higher ups” say “play their guy” when they have an investment in him (i.e. a guy might play because of his pick status). THat’s not the case with Vincent.
Finally, I only agreed that Zuttah was a better center and that of he was better he would have beaten out Vincent. Lest you forget, Zuttah is no staring at Center for a PATHETIC offensive line. When Faine returns Zuttah will replace . . . wait for it . . . Larsen. Wouldn’t you hope that would be the case????
October 29th, 2010 at 2:30 pm
I don’t know for sure, but I would guess that with Vincent’s departure that the Bucs are the youngest team in the NFL. Not sure, does anyone know???
October 29th, 2010 at 2:34 pm
my thinking is the bucs feel to succeed in this league and make a run at the playoffs…yes i said palyoffs, they need to get some real horses on that offesnsive line as they transition blount in slowly to be our main back….thats what this looks like to me….they seem to be experimenting here a bit and transitioning the o-line to get hopefully a little nastier of a running game….i guess they think vincent was just not getting it done, so let the transformation begin……we need to improve this running game immediately or this team will run out of steam in the next few weeks….as we all know we certainly can’t stop the run…..and it’s a long shot that every other week freebird is going to act like elway and pull a win out of his hat….we need to run the ball and get some guys opening holes big time….and hopefully protecting freebird as well in pass protection as well….go bucs….adam from ny
October 29th, 2010 at 3:13 pm
BigMac,
I think the Panther’s fans wondered the same thing, when he left there! Not sure but, it only leaves Graham, Gilmore, Faine, Sytlez, and Sims as the “older” vets and are all around 30 to 31. Ronde would be the only one left over 35.
October 29th, 2010 at 4:27 pm
Think this has to do with with two issues. 1) the Bucs realize the line as Is isn’t performing well, so they are going to make changes. Starting now, by getting the young guys off the practice squad and into the game. 2) while Vincent was an upgrade at LG( obvious since he started), they now believe a better upgrade is available to them. Meybe Zuttah, but he has looked so good at center, I would think that’s his future. Meybe one of the young guys, which is what I think. Time will tell. I know I like seeing the young guys playing well on the line! Zuttah,Larsen, and Lee all looked great at times. Dying to see if Carter,Hardman, and Barker have to show!
October 29th, 2010 at 5:21 pm
Thanks for proving my point Buc You. Now, wanta fight!! LOL
October 29th, 2010 at 6:54 pm
Congrats Joe,
I do think this speaks to the Bucs belief that Larsen is capable of playing and probably Carter is progressing on the practice squad. The one thing I think this regime values about all else is to protect Freeman at any cost. So I agree, Vincent must have looked really bad on tape.
October 29th, 2010 at 7:28 pm
LMAO!. Sensiblefan just called it! Buc You = Zero Expectations. lol
October 29th, 2010 at 8:35 pm
Got to admit, I’m shocked by this move, especially with him being injured. You can’t cut someone while he’s injured in the NFL (without an injury settlement), which leads me to believe there is more to this story than meets the eye. I’m not going to speculate, but it just makes me wonder.
October 30th, 2010 at 1:09 am
Wow. I sure am glad I don’t have a dog in this fight.
October 30th, 2010 at 3:54 am
Interesting what you said Hawaiian. LOTS of speculation going on in this thread. Maybe news will come out of an injury settlement. For all we know Vincent decided he didn’t want to ruin his back playing football any more and this is a mutual thing. Maybe it has nothing to do with his play. Maybe he will announce he is retiring.
October 30th, 2010 at 9:00 am
No more UFA signings please Dom. Now we are down to Jones and he probably won’t be around much longer.