Looking To “Produce Incremental Progress”
September 1st, 2010
Former Bucs beat writer now Sports Illustrated NFL writer Don Banks is serving up a reasoned look at the 2010 Bucs complete with a prognostication.
It seems Banks, like Joe, thinks his colleague Peter King’s 2-14 assessment is off base.
Predicted record: 6-10.
There’s at least hope this season in Tampa Bay, because young players like quarterback Josh Freeman, rookie receiver Mike Williams and the aforementioned McCoy and Price have the potential to lift a franchise that hit bottom during the midst of last year’s 3-13 finish. But the Bucs’ youth movement is far from finished, and we’re still in the process of finding out if Morris, 33, and general manager Mark Dominik, 38, have a plan that will produce incremental progress.
Joe grows weary of all these predictions and the associated catch phrases that say the Bucs are rebuilding and can’t turn out a winning season.
As for “incremental progress,” Joe would love to know how Mark Dominik truly would define that before opening day.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:53 pm
“Complete with a prognostication” Better than some edited for needless possibly racist commentary (schien) could ever come up with
September 1st, 2010 at 3:10 pm
Here’s an outsider’s thought: Gruden spent every year trying to make it big but busting. He dismantled the nucleus and hoped the slap-job would work.
We are now in the second year of a complete revamp and everyone is acting like the world is coming to an end because we are Superbowl contenders already.
Dungy might have built our last Superbowl team, but he didn’t do it in 2 years. It took many years and he built through youth and coaching. One can easily argue that our coaching is suspect. But people did the same thing with Dungy for a few years.
Everyone needs to relax. So what if we suck this year. We shouldn’t expect to be great. If anyone thinks the owners should try to buy us a quick Superboal, ask the Redskins fans how that actually worked out.
September 1st, 2010 at 3:13 pm
Excremental progress is more likely.
September 1st, 2010 at 3:17 pm
Lol @ eric.
I think the Bucs FO has said what their progress expectations are, even though even the biggest, blindered homer would call it a stretch.
They’re ‘…on a race to 10 wins…’.
…and appreciate the moderation of some posts Joe.
September 1st, 2010 at 5:01 pm
Didn’t ESPN say 8-8?
September 1st, 2010 at 5:51 pm
No WONDER why no one wants to go to the games, I mean just look at these aweful home games!
Sun, 09/12/10
01:00 PM Tampa Bay Buccaneers vs. Cleveland Browns
Sun, 09/26/10
01:00 PM Tampa Bay Buccaneers vs. Pittsburgh Steelers
Sun, 10/17/10
01:00 PM Tampa Bay Buccaneers vs. New Orleans Saints
Sun, 10/24/10
01:00 PM Tampa Bay Buccaneers vs. St Louis Rams
Sun, 11/14/10
01:00 PM Tampa Bay Buccaneers vs. Carolina Panthers
Sun, 12/05/10
01:00 PM Tampa Bay Buccaneers vs. Atlanta Falcons
Sun, 12/19/10
01:00 PM Tampa Bay Buccaneers vs. Detroit Lions
Sun, 12/26/10
01:00 PM Tampa Bay Buccaneers vs. Seattle Seahawks
September 1st, 2010 at 5:54 pm
Wooooooowwwwwww…. just look at the availability.
http://www.ticketexchangebyticketmaster.com/NFL/InventoryBrowse/Cleveland-Browns-at-Tampa-Bay-Buccaneers-Tickets-at-Raymond-James-Stadium-in-Tampa?PID=973745
September 1st, 2010 at 9:37 pm
javier n Wimauma
How about going to support your home team and the youngsters busting their butt to return this team to the playoffs?
September 1st, 2010 at 9:42 pm
Dave, how about you go buy tickets and give them to charity, say the boys and girls club?
The penny pinchers aren’t getting a dime from me.
Technically they are though, because I watch the away games and just by me tuning it part of my cable bill has to go to the league.
Hmm, I wonder how much the teams get by us watching? Advertising pays a lot to the networks.
Nah, they get plenty. The Glazers are rich.
September 1st, 2010 at 9:44 pm
Why does everyone (Joe and radio people) constantly look for a definition to go along with these sayings? What the heck is wrong with saying “improvement?” That does not need to be defined by wins and losses. They could win 4 games, lose 8 by less than 7 and the other 4 by 10 or less. What if they did that but Freeman throws 25 TDs and 10 ints and Caddy cracks 1100 with a 4.2 ypc? AND what if K2 and Williams both have 70+ catches and Benn and Stroughter each have 45+ ?
This is possible, maybe optimistic in parts, but possible. What if the line looks good on the run and Josh is mostly upright and in the pocket?
Or the defense looks good against the run and gets 40 sacks this year?
To me that would be major improvement even though they only win 4. I would not expect it, if those things happn I would think they would be between 6-8 wins.
Just pinting out that defining what exactly is improvement is not neccesarily and easy thing and not required.
September 1st, 2010 at 9:54 pm
They have this thing called the scoreboard.
September 1st, 2010 at 10:02 pm
Dave all that non-sense and you still give a whimpy, safe 6 wins?
You should have said 0-6 wins.
September 1st, 2010 at 10:06 pm
Here’s Javier’s prediction:
4
They won’t sweep the 4 lowly ranked games (Lions, Browns, Rams, Seattle), but they will catch 1 or 2 on their off-days, maybe. I would rather say 2-4 wins, but with so much optimism going on around here, I can’t help but call it at 4.
And folks, you heard it here first, That’s improvement 😉
September 1st, 2010 at 10:08 pm
6-10 I would consider this a victory for Rah et. al
September 1st, 2010 at 10:40 pm
As my name says it, I have ZeroExpectations for this coaching staff to win games for this team.
I believe that there is so much parity in the NFL that every team, including Bucs, have the talent to go 8-8.
I don’t expect the team’s talent to lose more or win more. I just have not great expectations for them this year.
Now with that said, although I believe the talent to be 8-8 quality, I am sure that the poor, inexperienced coaching will cost the Bucs games. For every game lost below 8 wins is a +1 in failure for Raheem Morris. The more the go below .500 the greater of a failure is Raheem Morris.
Its up to Raheem to coach this team to equilibrium, or his efforts will be deemed a failure. So while 9 wins were not enough for Jon Gruden, for Raheem, 7 wins will be totally unacceptable.
September 1st, 2010 at 11:02 pm
So this incremental progress… if they don’t progress will the excuse be a minor setback?
I actually want Raheem to keep his job now despite all the losing he brings. Why? Because I enjoy the comic relief from the Raheem apologists generating excuse after excuse. It’s gonna be fun year to hear all the excuses!!! 🙂
September 1st, 2010 at 11:08 pm
I can just here Shula using the term “incremental progress”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
What a buncha crybaby losers. Pathetic.
September 2nd, 2010 at 6:43 am
We have gone from hoping for a championship, to hoping for 4 wins! How pathetic is that?
September 2nd, 2010 at 9:55 am
Tampa2 — what’s pathetic (or perhaps better stated as delusional) is that you were “hoping for a Championship” under the last few Gruden years. In 2006 the Bucs only had one more win than last year (with far more experience) and, of course, with Gruden coaching. Were you hoping for a Championship in 2006? LOL. In 2007 they were 2 games above .500. In an awful NFC South that put us on top, but we were CRUSHED by the Giants. Did you think 2007 was the “championship” year? How about 2008? Again, 2 games above .500. Was that the “championship” year?
Silly . . . and delusional.
September 2nd, 2010 at 10:50 am
JimBuc,
What’s wrong with hoping for a championship? We weren’t CRUSHED, as you put it. 24-10 isnt CRUSHED. We had 271 tot yds, NY 277 tot yds. We had 20 1st dwns, NY had 16. Rogue Garcia had 2 ints, thats what “crushed” us.
“In 2006 the Bucs only had one more win than last year (with far more experience” Really? Gradkowski, Alex Smith, Stovall, Booger, Ellis Wyms, Will Allen, Juron Bolden, etc were more experienced or more talented? I think, I said that team and last years were almost exactly the same, but Gruden did do better.
Or like Gruden didn’t give Monte any high round picks in the drafts? Which I know you didnt say, but still irks me. Cause, it is untrue.
September 2nd, 2010 at 5:10 pm
@ oar
I say we got crushed. We were up 7-0 at tha end of tha 1st quarter. Total yds & 1st downs ain’t nothin if u can’t score. Far as 2006 goes man that was a horrible year.
September 2nd, 2010 at 5:21 pm
42-0, 38-3, 30-7, 35-10 those are being crushed! We lost by two scores. That’s not crushed. Thanks for those 2 ints Garcia(could been 2 scores for us)?
September 2nd, 2010 at 5:24 pm
As for 2006, yep it was a horrible year. Not what I was getting at. My point was we had rookie QB, not much talent, just like last year. They were very identical as far as team goes, but Gruden got one more win. So yeah, another coach could have done just as well as or better than Raheem.