Raheem Was Calling Defense Before Bates Left
August 9th, 2010
Joe has long suspected that Raheem The Dream was running the Bucs’ defense before Jim Bates was kicked out of town, and now Mark Dominik has confirmed it during an interview on WDAE-AM 620.
Joe is doubtful Dominik mis-spoke during the interview, considering Raheem The Dream himself last year detailed how Bates convinced him what to call during a key moment in the Bucs’ Week 10 game in Miami.
Yet Bates was fired after Week 11.
Responding to Justin Pawlowski, of WDAE-AM 620 on Saturday night, Dominik answered a request to evaluate his head coach’s peformance.
Here’s his reply verbatim:
Mark Dominik: Well coach Morris has done a very good job in the offseason program. And I think we saw a lot of it start by Week 10 last year when he took over the play calling.
You know, you saw a different defense, obviously, you saw a Tampa 2 defense that really got after people and was a lot more productive, a lot more aggressive and certainly we held opponents to a lower point total. I think from that point forward he really honed in on that head coaching job. I think that he really did a good job those final six weeks. What he parlayed that into is what I think is a great postseason plan.
…. We moved the offseason program, post-draft, to get all these rookies and these young players as many reps as possible. …I gotta hand it to Coach Morris and his staff and also our training staff… in terms of getting these guys through all these grueling weeks we live here in Tampa, as we know how hot these summers are, to walk out at the first day in training camp and have all 80 men suit up and go to practice. We are one of only two teams in the National Football Team, I believe, that were able to do that.
…So he’s done a great job of setting it up, and getting everyone on the same page with Coach Olson being here. …I’m excited.
No question Raheem The Dream had a huge learning curve last season. The guy basically got two promotions in a matter of weeks to became one of the co-masterminds of a new Bucs regime.
Of course, he then proceeded to show he was not up to the job after quickly harpooning his hand-picked coordinators and bungling the early development of his top draft pick.
But Raheem The Dream went on to show improvement, and Dominik now explains that Raheem The Dream “really honed in on that head coaching job” after Bates was defrocked. (Of course, that implies Raheem The Dream was over his head prior to that point).
It’s all old news, but many fans hang their 2010 happy hat on the Bucs’ improvement coming when Morris took over the defense.
Well, now it seems he took it over a bit earlier and kept running the two-gap system, essentially trying to jam the wrong personnel into it for two more games.
This is all very interesting.
August 9th, 2010 at 3:24 pm
Why is it interesting?
August 9th, 2010 at 3:31 pm
I am tired of people talking about “how great” Raheem did atthe end of the year.
It’s a bunch of horse sh!t. We sucked all year. Th losing will start very soon.
And we already have talked about the scapegoats that the Raheem apologists have pre-determined to this point.
August 9th, 2010 at 3:39 pm
“Well, now it seems he took it over a bit earlier and kept running the two-gap system, essentially trying to jam the wrong personnel into it for two more games.”
LOL. Joe, you’re too funny. Today is the day of adding 1 to 2 and coming up with 5.
August 9th, 2010 at 3:49 pm
Ok, I’ll buy”harpooning his hand picked co-ordinators”. But “bungling the development of his top Draft Pick” ?!? How? Did you want Freeman to start week one? I think that would have been a mistake! I think giving Freeman the Bye week, then starting was the way to go. They let him watch from the sidelines, and get used to the speed of the game first. Them threw him in to get his feet wet. I was ok with the way they did that. I am now convinced Joe ( one of ya) and Eric are the same guy! Same technique- throw out an undisputed truth, then Piggyback an opinion on there, and treat them both like Gospel- lol. Kinda with Ac3 on this one, it’s only interesting so far as giving the bottom feeders some other B S to try and make their idiotic points with. In a couple weeks, what Raheem can and cannot do will be apparent, without having to watch morons like Javier sift thru the trash !
August 9th, 2010 at 3:55 pm
Yeah, one of the Joes has been off his game the last few days. Ussually you guys are spot on. Fighting with the Lil lady? Come on, you can tell us! We’re family here! Lol
August 9th, 2010 at 4:01 pm
Raheem’s defense surely looked “great” compared to the one Bates’ ran. Not sure what Mr. Javier was watching last season.
August 9th, 2010 at 4:04 pm
Yeah yeah Rahdom, I mean “Javier” we know! Raheem sucks, the losing will start soon, it’s the friggin apocalypse!! Yeah, WE GET IT! Mission accomplished- we know yer a pathetic Lil weasel that hopes his own team fails! We know you have the loyality of Benedict Arnold! We also know you’ll be the loudest one on the bandwagon when we win! We know who you are, so now go about yer miserable exsistence. You have, for once, succeeded at your goal! We all know you are a douche! Good job!
August 9th, 2010 at 4:06 pm
@ Cap
I’ll slightly defend Joe on the Freeman thing: The QB competition was poorly handled. We wasted valuable reps on McCown and/or Lefty when they (in hindsight) should’ve gone to Freeman.
August 9th, 2010 at 4:09 pm
17 weeks in a season.
August 9th, 2010 at 4:11 pm
Mr. White brings out the sword. lol It’s a football season. Chucky always tired to carve it up into four parts, but it’s still a season.
August 9th, 2010 at 4:18 pm
Maybe Raheem just relied too much on coordinators rather than instincts. When he followed his gut, we got better.
@sgw94 – how vanilla will the Miami game be?
August 9th, 2010 at 4:18 pm
Week 12 L @ Atlanta Falcons (BACK-UP QB)
Week 13 L @ Carolina Panthers (BACK-UP QB)
Week 14 L New York Jets (BACK-UP QB)
Week 15 W @ Seattle Seahawks
Week 16 W @ New Orleans Saints (77 yd punt return gave us the luck we needed)
Week 17 L Atlanta Falcons (Snelling ran for 147 yds down our throat.. mostly in qtr 4)
Week 12 Total Yds 297 Pas Tds 222(BACK-UP QB) Rus Yds 75
Week 13 Total Yds 309 Pas Tds 152 (BACK-UP QB) Rus Yds 157
Week 14 Total Yds 310 Pas Tds 135 (BACK-UP QB) Rus Yds 175
Week 15 Total Yds 380 Pas Tds 252 Rus Yds 128
Week 16 Total Yds 373 Pas Tds 249 Rus Yds 124
Week 17 Total Yds 397 Pas Tds 214 (Ran it down Raheem’s throat) Rus Yds 183
Moral of the story, you apologists are trying to give Raheem waaaaay more credit than he should get. Raheem’s ENTIRE 2009 season was a complete disaster.
August 9th, 2010 at 4:19 pm
Joe here,
Capt. Tim – Calling Joe “off his game.” Ouch. You must be joking.
Thank you, SensibleFan. Yes, Joe was referring to Freeman missing all those training camp reps, where he could have been practicing as the No. 2 QB from Day 1.
August 9th, 2010 at 4:19 pm
Dallas
• DAL Miles Austin 42 yard pass from Tony Romo
• DAL Roy E. Williams 66 yard pass from Tony Romo
• DAL Patrick Crayton 80 yard pass from Tony Romo
• BUF Terrell Owens 43 yard pass from Trent Edwards
Bills
(Who got burned?)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSF1wO77YFc&feature=related
• NYG Sinorice Moss 18 yard pass from Eli Manning (notable)
Giants
(Who got beat?)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u2cNWUFZKg
• WAS Santana Moss 59 yard pass from Jason Campbell
• PHI Jeremy Maclin 51 yard pass from Donovan McNabb
• PHI Leonard Weaver 20 yard pass from Donovan McNabb
• PHI Jeremy Maclin 40 yard pass from Donovan McNabb
Patriots
• NWE Sam Aiken 54 yard pass from Tom Brady
• NWE Ben Watson 35 yard pass from Tom Brady
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcODPaRWWxk&feature=related
• GNB James Jones 74 yard pass from Aaron Rodgers
• GNB Donald Driver 32 yard pass from Aaron Rodgers
• ATL Jerious Norwood 22 yard pass from Chris Redman
• ATL Roddy White 5 yard pass from Chris Redman (Chris Redman drove the field and beat us!)
• SEA John Carlson 29 yard pass from Matt Hasselbeck
• NOR Robert Meachem 30 yard pass from Drew Brees
• TAM Micheal Spurlock 77 yard punt return (this is what tied the game… one big play and we end up winning… could have went either way)
• Last game of the season Jason Snelling ATL ran for 147 yds… most in the the 4th quarter.
August 9th, 2010 at 4:19 pm
Sensiblefan- oh, absolutely! I could agree that things could have been better, OR worse! The comment was ” Bungled the Development of his top Draft pick” – I thought that was a hellva a strech!
August 9th, 2010 at 4:22 pm
**Joe must hit a magic button at headquarters that will knock JoeBucsFan.com down for about 3 minutes**
Sorry for the inconvenience coming about 4:30 p.m.
August 9th, 2010 at 4:22 pm
@Javier (which hurts me to type)…Why do you call people that are simply trying to give the guy a chance “apologists”, it is neither witty nor accurate. I have heard no one apologize for Coach Morris’s season. Some say that you cannot judge a rookie coach on one year, and we have gone over countless examples. How can anyone be so certain that this guys does not turn into the next great coach? One year is not enough to define a pro NFL coach. There have been plenty of first year coaches that had success later and plenty that failed, but one year is not enough.
Maybe you are referring to the other definition which would be someone who supports a belief in writing or speech, but this is typically held for religious discussions. In any case you have used it enough, we get it, if you support the team by saying give Morris one more year you are either skilled at apologies or a religious zelist. Either way you are a tool.
August 9th, 2010 at 4:26 pm
@bucfanjeff
Hard to say. Usually it would be very vanilla because its the first preseason game. But we have young unproven players on D who need quality reps so theres a chance you’ll see at least some blitzing. I know the Bengals blitzed more than I thought they would last night.
August 9th, 2010 at 4:28 pm
Javier- yeah – yawn- that’s very interesting. And totally proves your point! All hope is lost here in Tampa! I doubt we’ ‘ll ever win another Game! Ever! You’ve been right all along. I’ve been such a fool to believe! Well, only one thing left ta do! Ok, Javier, follow me down to the Skyway bridge jumper station! That’s it, you go first! I’m riiiight behind you 🙂
August 9th, 2010 at 4:35 pm
Well, that’s probably the problem right there , Joe! When I would hit the Magic button, it would knock me off my game for days!! . . No, wait, that mighta been the Magic Mushroom . .
August 9th, 2010 at 4:35 pm
Jahier…Also, not one has said he was great once he took over, but the D did improve in the most important stat…points allowed. The Tampa 2 always gave up yards, that is why they always said bend but don’t break. Now, maybe not as many as last year, but hey…last year is done and gone…let’s l;ive in the now and see what our Bucs can do. Why are you even a football fan if you have no hope. It does not sound fun to be your kind of fan.
August 9th, 2010 at 4:39 pm
Mr.White, what do you think of Coach Morris’s version of the Tampa 2 so far? He’s stated it will be more aggressive, using Quincy Black as a Blitzer more often. Does it look like a good “scheme” to you?
August 9th, 2010 at 4:43 pm
Boy this Javier kid is quite a Box of Rocks.
It is impossible to have an intelligent conversation with an idiot, because they don’t get it…ever, and all they hear is the sound of their own voice.
That same guy is introduced to someone at a party and immediately forgets the other person’s name because when the introduction was being made he was listening for his name and instead of the other person’s name.
August 9th, 2010 at 4:58 pm
Well 2009 is over. Those excuses are all washed away. Whether that late season “improvement” was ever there or will remain or be built upon should be rather evident in a few weeks.
Perhaps we can agree that the excuses have expired and its time to see some greatly improved football? If they did so well those last six games, no reason it can’t continue now right?
Sorry to hear about Price. I wonder if he went a little overboard on some of the drills?
August 9th, 2010 at 5:03 pm
Eric…agreed. This is your second best post in a long time…The frog is number one. It was spot on.
August 9th, 2010 at 5:26 pm
@Eric
I doubt the Browns would be the best place to consider the Bucs improved if the Bucs can beat them. They aren’t the best team in the league either.
But I agree mostly.
@JOE
Hey, buddy…I tried signing up for the forums and the confirmation email system doesn’t send the proper link to confirm, so no one can register right now.
August 9th, 2010 at 5:27 pm
Sorry if I sound ignorant here but what does it mean for a game to be “vanilla?” haha
August 9th, 2010 at 5:30 pm
Huh??? So what you apologists are saying is that you don’t want to talk about the facts that Raheems performance was primarily based on back up Quarter Backs?
That’s all I was saying to reinforce my point that Raheem didn’t end on the high note you clowns are grasping for straws for.
Of Course Mark Domminic will claim this as well, he needs to justify his performance too.
August 9th, 2010 at 5:34 pm
Vanilla = plain.
@ Pete – I agree to a point that the Browns aren’t the best, but still, we were losing to bad teams last year.
August 9th, 2010 at 5:36 pm
@Javier – The improvement was based on points allowed, not necessarily total yards. Steve might know better, but my understanding is that the Tampa-2 philosophy has always been a “bend but don’t break” defense.
August 9th, 2010 at 5:39 pm
@Javier n Wimauma
In all fairness, while looking at last year’s results, you make a strong point. However, you are discounting the wins…and wins were certainly an improvement…over losses…right?
But there is more, Javier n Wimauma.
Consider this, although many of the problems from last year rest on the shoulders of both Raheem and Mark Dominick, we see in Raheem an ability that Jon Gruden (for example) did not have…the ability to learn from mistakes and the willingness to adapt.
Raheem tried things that didn’t work, he learned, he moved on and he wasn’t afraid to change directions toward something that does work.
His draft last year was pretty good. His draft this year was just as good, if not better.
AND, through all of last year, aside from Atonio Bryant, the rest of the team continued to rally around Raheem and play hard. If he were a bad coach, they would quit on him to get him out of town by the end of this season.
So, I can see where some here might give him too much credit, but I can also see how you are going to the opposite extreme…and not giving him enough credit, Javier n Wimauma.
August 9th, 2010 at 5:42 pm
@CharlieB
Very true.
August 9th, 2010 at 5:53 pm
So he “took over play-calling” by week 10, bates was fired week 11…..
Not really much of a shift in perspective….. lol
August 9th, 2010 at 6:15 pm
If Price can’t go for awhile, how does that change the rotation?
August 9th, 2010 at 6:30 pm
@Eric
I think if Price misses time we will start McCoy and Miller and whoever our 4th DT is, either Moore or Sims, will get more playing time than usual. Just a guess though.
August 9th, 2010 at 6:49 pm
You idiots are hanging your hats on the improvement in the defense when 3 of the six games the opposing QB’s were journeymen back-ups and all of these offenses had critical other losses.
The Qb’s in those 3 games were: Chris Redman, Matt Moore and Kellen Clemens – the offenses were basically one-dimensional, and I think that falcons were also without Turner and 1 or 2 key O-linemen.
That is a flawed sampling as Javier pointed out today and I have pointed out before. The last 3 games, 2 of which were wins, the defense gave upmany yards but the games were meaningless. You guys certainly are easily led to see things “with the glass half-full.” Good for you, I am just not so gullible.
August 9th, 2010 at 6:52 pm
Pete, Gruden must have learned something from mistakes. The man brought us a SUPER BOWL WIN!!!!!! What didn’t he adapt to? How to go 3-13? 25 years to win a super bowl and all of a sudden we need a man that has 0, I repete 0, years experiance as a head coach. As far as I know he hasn’t coached any level of football as a head coach. If I’m wrong on this please tell me. Why go in that direction except to save money? Not to win championships! Saving MONEY!! I still say the Glazers mantra is GO MANCHESTER UNITED!!!!!
August 9th, 2010 at 6:54 pm
Javier… against backups or not, the last 8 games the team gave up 30+ points only once. In the first 8 games the team gave up 30+ points 4 times.
Oh, but it’s about yardage. Well, in the first 8 games, the team allowed 400+ yards 4 times. The last 8 games, not even once.
Right… but that was against backup QBs, so they better just run the ball down our throats. Everyone knows to run against the Bucs. Well, the first 8 games we gave up 3 200+ yard rushing games. The last 8 games, not one.
OK, well just throw deep. Everyone was doing it, we should light it up for yards through the air. First 8 games, 2 300+ yard passing efforts. Last 8 games, none.
If you’re only gonna put up stats for the time Raheem Morris took over the D, there’s nothing to compare with. You can talk about “back up QB” all you want, but the D definitely played better.
August 9th, 2010 at 6:56 pm
Raheem is an idiot. Confirmed.
next article…
August 9th, 2010 at 7:06 pm
BamBam:those statistics you provide are horrible.
No they may not have given up 400+ in the last few games but they all were very close – I.E. the Falcons where they gave up 397. They also allowed multiple 175+ rushing yard games. And yes, when the games are meaningless for both teams,it does effect the play-calling and need for points late in games that are not that close.
Its kind of like getting blown out in the first half of a game, and then saying well we gave up less yards and points in the second half when the team shifted to burn clock mode – it is ridiculous. Teams will frequently be in burn the clock mode against us this year – and no doubt you idiots will find a way to see it as some sort of statistical positive for Raheem.
August 9th, 2010 at 7:12 pm
As for playing against backups…..
Matt Ryan started the Atlanta game, but was injured on the first sack by the Bucs. So, it was the defense that took him out of the game and forced the backup in.
Even your own stats (about Morris led D) shows that we held the other 2 backups to 152 and 135 yards passing. Also, if their backups are playing, you’d think they’d run the ball to death, but none of those 3 games was there 200 yards rushing given up. That happened 3 times with Bates against teams with starting QBs.
August 9th, 2010 at 7:15 pm
“Its kind of like getting blown out in the first half of a game, and then saying well we gave up less yards and points in the second half when the team shifted to burn clock mode…”
That’s what the Saints did when we beat them. They went up on us and then went into run the clock out mode. A few stops by the Bucs in the second half, a 77 run back TD and all of a sudden, the game was tied.
We win the coin toss, and kick a field goal. LOL.
2010 is not going to be easy.
BY THE WAY, I said just last week, that Tampa should be resting Price based on his previous hamstring pull…. those things don’t heal over night.
And look at what he did. POOR COACHING!!!
Why the frick did they not slow down and let him break in easy, they knew he had a bad hammy. Price was trying to look good, but staff was clueless on HOW to handle a guy with a sore hammy.
August 9th, 2010 at 7:18 pm
Javier n Wimauma Says:
July 31st, 2010 at 8:33 pm
Price already needs rest his hammy… they should let him rest it.
Here it is too.
https://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=32554#comments
August 9th, 2010 at 7:33 pm
thomas – if teams were in “burn the clock” mode against us, why were there more 200+ yard rushing games against Bates than Morris? They were all “burn the clock” games (except for the 3 wins and very few close games).
The Panthers and Jets games with “backup” QBs were both not close (lost 16-6 and 26-3). If any game should be 200+ yards rushing against us, it’s those two. But they weren’t (157 and 175). With Bates, in an earlier game against the Panthers, the score was tied in the 4th quarter (not exactly a “burn the clock” type game).
Yet the Panthers ran an 8 minute drive to score and win and ended up with 267 yards rushing… even though they could only muster 55 yards passing. In that game, with 8:33 left on the clock and the game tied, the Panthers proceeded to run a 16 play (15 runs/1 pass), 80 yard drive to win. Not one team did that against the Morris led D.
Miami drove the ball on Morris with only 1:14 left on the clock to kick the winning FG with :10 on the clock. That’s a 1:04 drive. If you’d like the recap….
After an Unsportsmanlike Conduct penalty against K2, the Bucs kicked off from the 15. They still pinned the Dolphins back at the 16. First play Henne hits Bess for 25 yards. An incompletion next play, but Pass Interference on Hayes for 9 more yards. Henne to Bess for another 16 yards. Ricky Williams run for 27. FG to win the game.
August 9th, 2010 at 8:01 pm
Morris is still an IDIOT.
August 9th, 2010 at 8:13 pm
BamBam, you are the man. Great job!!!
I hate being corrected by you. LOL
August 9th, 2010 at 8:17 pm
Listen BamBam:
There is nothing that you can argue that will spin last year into anything other than a DISASTER. Rah was a complete embarrassment and I have never seen anything so laughable. Rah makes Cam Cameron look like Lombardi.
If you want to reach for positives to support you man, go ahead,but the fact remains that everday under this embarrassing regime is delaying any real progress. Rah is a fine secondary coach but should never ever be asked to do anything more!
The consensus over/under is 5 wins – anybody could coach the with this last-place and soft schedule to 5 wins,except probably Rah. If he wins 5 the worst of you will scream improvement, the best of you will see what 5 wins actually is – MORE UNNECESSARY FAILURE! That all you sheep are guilty of supporting everyday you spin the b.s. on here and other sites.
August 9th, 2010 at 8:51 pm
About those backup qbs and rbs……we injured most of the starters those games. And that win over the saints that was so pointless? Well it wasn’t exactly pointless, they needed that win for 1st place so they could rest the final week. And we made them work for 1st place. And they are the friggin super bowl champs…….ya I’ll say it we got better down the stretch and beat the most powerful team in the league. Damn its like rocket science or something. All I have to say is GO BUCS!
August 9th, 2010 at 9:02 pm
Well 3-13, no matter how you slice it, deeply sucks.
He has another shot to make his case. I think some folks are putting an easy win in against the Browns. Not so sure about that. If we are only looking at the second half last year I think the Browns closed with four straight wins. 4-2 the last six
The Panthers also closed very well last year, the week two opponent. 4-2 the last six with impressive wins over Vikings and Giants.
So, the “only the last six games counted” approach makes the schedule look a bit tougher. Unless, of course, that theory only applies to the bucs.
Me thinks Mr. Rah has his work cut out for him.
August 9th, 2010 at 9:36 pm
Hey since we are all revisiting the Buccaneers history and are all in the moment of setting records straight, here’s one you fruitcakes are really gonna love:
Jon Gruden was 9-3 before Monte Kiffin(RIP) resigned in place, and his vaunted defense proceeded to fall apart and lose 4 straight for the Bucs negating a division title and a playoff appearance.
So while Gruden was 9-3 in his first 12 games, Raheem was 1-11. Hmmmm?And Gruden is a bad coach while Raheem is a good one??? Huh???
More factoids. If Grudens/Kiffins Bucs had the chance to play Seattle, one of the 3 teams with back up QBs (Atlanta, Jets, Carolina all games Raheem lost btw), as opposed to the tough running teams we played in the last 4 weeks, Gruden/Kiffins Bucs would have surely been in the playoffs.
But we all know the story about ‘what ifs’ as in: “What if my aunt had nuts? Then would she be my uncle?” (-my Drill Instructor circa 19xx, Paris Island).
Oh yeah, Gruden ended up with a poor and gloomy 9-7 winning season, while Raheem Morris lost on a high note, getting the ball ran down his throat by a back up RB, ending the season on a positive losing season of 3-13.
It all makes so much sense that Timmy the Sailor has already jumped for joy, off the sky way.
August 9th, 2010 at 9:54 pm
thomas and eric.
I’m not saying 3-13 was good. I’m not saying Rah was a great coach last year. Javier was saying that the defense was just as bad or worse under Morris as it was under Bates. I disagree and the stats prove that point. Does that change the 3-13? Obviously not. Does the team need to improve this year for Morris to keep his job? Absolutely. I’m not “reaching for positives” and switching back to the Tampa 2 was probably more to do with the improved defense than Morris was. I’m not “spinning” anything, I’m showing statistics from both sides (unlike Javier only showing stats from the last 8 and saying they were bad. They were, but not as bad as the first 8).
eric – you’re right, no games are “easy” in the NFL. You have to go out and win each game, they won’t be handed to you.
The Browns did win 4 straight to finish the season. The were:
Pittsburgh – finished 9-7
Kansas City – 4-12
Oakland – 5-11
Jacksonville – 7-9
The other win earlier was the Bills – 6-10
vs the Bucs wins:
Packers – 11-5 playoff team
Seahawks – 5-11
Saints – 13-3 Super Bowl champs
Still, that’s not saying it will be easy to beat the Browns… or the Panthers.
For a good read on why the Browns may have actually gotten worse rather than better read this….
http://walterfootball.com/offseason2010cle.php
Unlike the Browns getting worse on offense, the Panthers actually got worse on defense and may or may not be good on offense. That will depend on Matt Moore or Jimmy Clausen.
http://walterfootball.com/offseason2010car.php
And of course, just to be fair… here’s what they have to say about the Bucs.
http://walterfootball.com/offseason2010tb.php
Reading this, it may spark the debates on Ruud, Zuttah, Penn, etc all over again.
August 9th, 2010 at 9:59 pm
I think the biggest problem with the Gruden era was actually Bruce Allen. I think the best thing for to do for the present would have been to replace Allen with Dom, keep Gruden, and have Raheem be the DC. Also, with Sims and Hovan being the starting DTs, even a Gruden/Kiffin led team would suck on run defense.
August 9th, 2010 at 9:59 pm
Javier,
Bravo sir.
With the mentality around here we would have lost at Normandy.
Dang I tried half a day to be positive and I JUST CAN”T DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 9th, 2010 at 9:59 pm
Morris wouldn’t make a pimple on Mangini’s fat ass. He is a jerk but is still more coach than phys ed degree Radio will ever be . You think Morris could work on Belichics staff???? I think not.
August 9th, 2010 at 10:09 pm
Javier….
so what you’re saying is that since Kiffin announced he was leaving, the Bucs are 3-17? You mean Gruden couldn’t win without Kiffin, and Morris could only figure out 3 wins without Kiffin? Sounds like Kiffin was the great coach and Gruden and Morris have something to prove. Gruden went 4-12 WITH Kiffin.
As for your “if”…. Carolina and the Jets were 2 of the top 3 rushing teams in the league last year and Atlanta wasn’t bad. As for 2008, the last 4 games, Atlanta and Carolina were 2 of the top 3. San Diego was actually worse than the Bucs, and the Raiders not much better. So, I wouldn’t be spouting about how much better the run teams were against Gruden/Kiffin than against Morris. Once again, not “spinning” stats, just stating the facts. The last 4 of 2008 were almost identical to the 4 you mentioned from last year (Atlanta, Carolina, Jets, Seahawks)
August 9th, 2010 at 10:12 pm
Thomas and Javier = cute couple
August 9th, 2010 at 10:15 pm
I don’t find it “interesting” at all.
Just sad as hell that this totally unqualified buffoon is the coach of the bucs.
August 9th, 2010 at 10:16 pm
Hello . . Gruden did NOT get fired for going 9-7 in 2008.
Not sure why all the Gruden fans hang on to that myth? Gruden got fired for sub-.500 after the SB, up and down seasons, no franchise QB, 1st round playoff exits, horrible drafting over many years, planning to bring Garcia back, etc. . . .
August 9th, 2010 at 10:31 pm
So, neither Bambam or JimBuc have given anyone a sliver of proof that 3-13 is far more promising than 9-7.
Why? Because Gruden is horrible for going 9-7 and 9-7 two years in a row. Just downright despicable.
And Raheem ended on a positive, leading the team to 3-13? HUH?
Bammy just said that the following teams were good teams:
Week 12 L @ Atlanta Falcons (BACK-UP QB)
Week 13 L @ Carolina Panthers (BACK-UP QB)
Week 14 L New York Jets (BACK-UP QB)
Week 15 W @ Seattle Seahawks (if the Bucs beat this team, they WERE NOT GOOD! LMAO)
August 9th, 2010 at 10:31 pm
sub five hundred AFTER THE SUPER BOWL VICTORY.
There are eight words that will never be aplied to Raheem Morris in a zillion years!
Neither will Coach of NFC South Division Champions.
Or, Five Division Titles in Eleven Years of Coaching and only three losing seasons AND A SUPER BOWL WIN.
I know, I know “but hes only had one 3-13 season”
Well, get ready to rack up another one!
August 9th, 2010 at 10:33 pm
Moral of the story, stop apologizing for Raheem Morris. Just stop it already, you lost a LONG, LONG time ago. Fruitcakes.
August 9th, 2010 at 10:33 pm
my god…you wanna talk history, i’ll go before last year, and before gruden…how about before dungy!
how about the 2 decades of losing before dungy, and you morons are up in arms over one poor year, dungy and half gruden’s years really spoiled you brats…
but ironically most of you claim to be fans since 76, doesn’t seem like it if one 3-13 season can make you whine so much…thank god the internet wasn’t around during the 80’s…
August 9th, 2010 at 10:37 pm
ac3,
The spolied brats were the ones calling for Chuckies head after a WINNING season.
Forgetting the exact history you mention and we are now reliving.
August 9th, 2010 at 10:41 pm
you’re right eric, one bad season is equivalent to 20 bad seaons…
Behind your unfunny one liner’s insulting Raheem’s intelligence and manhood after one year coaching, I would hope you use a little more logic than that…
August 9th, 2010 at 10:44 pm
Ok, if one bad season doesnt equal 20 bad ones, what does a a winning season equal? reason to get fired?
August 9th, 2010 at 10:45 pm
@ ac3
You’ve got to hand it to the Anti-Organization Faction. Their consistency is astounding.
Never satisfied.
Rarely correct in their analysis.
Always melodramatic.
August 9th, 2010 at 10:45 pm
and furthermore you can complain about numbers and back up qb’s, but i’m sorry…how can you be so blind as to see that the points allowed per game dropped significantly
and so you guys are saying 0-7 is the same or worse that 3-6? ok convince me 3-6 is the same as 0-7…ready go
August 9th, 2010 at 10:55 pm
Can’t we all just….get a Bong!
August 9th, 2010 at 10:57 pm
and lastly don’t respond that it is one whole season, not two halves…I’m coherent and aware…but the original argument by Javier is that the team did not improve in the second half of the season…so don’t waste my time with the whole season argument, because nobody in buc-nation said last year overall was a good year, people have stated we improved the second half of the season
and well put forun
August 9th, 2010 at 11:00 pm
“The spolied brats were the ones calling for Chuckies head after a WINNING season.”
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
I recall the whole time people were up in arms over Gruden. It made no sense to me. I was like, “We are competitive every year, we win division titles, we won a Super Bowl for crying out loud”
And yet all the Dungy lovers could muster was, “Well Gruden won that SB with Dungy’s team, nah, nah nah…”
I have no idea what happened to the Bucs fan base to turn on Jon Gruden. Except for that fact that the local media started in on Gruden. Every single sports writer from the Trib hated Gruden. It was ridiculous.
Then I saw it, I saw an article written by Roy Cummings actually claiming that Jon Gruden’s tenure was aiken to George Bush’s presidency. Swear to God he wrote that. After that icing on the cake, it was all too obvious that the liberal machine who had it out for Bush, had influenced the bleeding heart liberals on Tampa to turn against Gruden. Still bringing up the past of Tony Dungy, 5+ years post. (Even though the Glazers made the fore and trade… it wasn’t Gruden’s doing). But those liberals needed a villain, and they sure made one out of Gruden. They treated Gruden like he was Bush. Even to a point of blinding hatred. Pretty sickening.
Then the liberals got what they wanted, Gruden fired. So much so that they have come to the defense of an interim coach who has never, ever been a head coach at any level in his life. He has never held a coordinator job in the NFL, EVER. He was promoted from a defensive backs coach straight to head coach (don’t even try to claim he was the DC for a few days, that doesn’t freakin count as experience). Just because those same liberals, who are NOT the REAL BUC FANS, hated Gruden so much, they have no choice but to live with their decision than to support Raheem, despite his sheer awefulness.
I still, to this day, can not believe what the Glazer brats did. What on earth were they thinking by putting Raheem in as the head coach? They clearly did not think this through. Because when they do not re-sign Raheem Morris, they are going to have yet another Tony Dungy #2 on their hands. They clearly, did NOT think this one through.
I mean, did the Glazer brats think that Raheem would do so poorly that it would force them to use him as the penny pinching scapegoat? Without realizing the amazing apologists movement to reinforce every dumbfounded move Raheem makes, WITH the backing of the media? (except for Joe… THANK GOD for JOE BTW!).
I am one of MANY confused Buccaneer fans at the moment, let me tell you.
August 9th, 2010 at 11:06 pm
Javier – don’t misquote me. I just pointed out the facts (statistically) that 2 of those teams were in the top 3 rushing teams in the league (which is what you were pointing out about the 2008 seasons final four losses). Actually, the Jets were the #1 rushing team in the league last year and the Panthers #3. In 2008, the Panthers and Falcons were #2 and #3. To be fair (like I always try to be), in 2008, the Panthers and Falcons both made the playoffs. The Falcons exited in the Wild Card round, the Panthers in the Divisional round. In 2009, only the Jets were in the playoffs (of the teams mentioned) and they lost out in the AFC Championship game.
Also, I never said Gruden was horrible. I did say he had a 4-12 season with Kiffin as his DC (which is statistically true). I also never said that 3-13 is good in any way.
I did say the defense improved (statistically) in the last 8 games of the season which apparently Morris was calling the D plays. If there are factors such as backups playing (which happen all the time in the NFL, I could probably find what backups were playing in the first 8 games, but won’t waste my time, you don’t care unless it fits your point) that contribute to statistics going up or down, that’s the way it is. That doesn’t change the fact that the team improved statistically from the first 8.
Raheem Morris is not the greatest thing to ever happen to the Bucs, I wouldn’t even attempt to say so. If, however, he turns things around from last year and the mediocrity of years prior to become legitimate contenders, I will praise him for that. If he gets fired for another piss poor season this year, I won’t be disappointed one bit.
Realistically, I can only go off of what I can see, and 3-13 is bad, very bad. The thing about it is, I can see that a few games (the 3 wins and a couple other close losses) were not as very bad as some of the losses early on. Ok, so they weren’t all wins, and that’s not good, but improvement in a “lost cause” season is a sign that things may change this year and I’m willing to see that too. (Oh, and before you go off on that, notice the word “may” before “change”, not saying things “will” change, just that they “may”).
August 9th, 2010 at 11:09 pm
ac3 said this “and furthermore you can complain about numbers and back up qb’s, but i’m sorry…how can you be so blind as to see that the points allowed per game dropped significantly”
Points per allowed per game dropped BECAUSE OF THE BACK-UP QUARTER BACKS.
Holy Crap! Is that so freaking hard to understand???
August 9th, 2010 at 11:13 pm
Bad QB can’t convert first downs. DUH!
Bad QB can’t put points on the board. DUH!
You know what. I give up on this subject.
It’s overwith. Enjoy believing that Raheem Morris had a turn around season last year. You bought him more time with that excuse.
Don’t forget, that ALL of your eggs are in one basket…. and that basket is the Browns game, opening day. LOL!!!!
August 9th, 2010 at 11:14 pm
OK AND OUR WINS WERE AGAINST STARTING QUARTERBACKS YOU JERK OFF! WHY IS THAT SO FREAKING HARD TO UNDERSTAND
and what tickle in your sack do you get from talking about gruden so much over a year after he was fired? My little brother is best friends with his younger son, been to his house a couple times, awesome family…but jeez man
and comparing the GAME of football with politics…wow, take this pastime a little serious huh?
and you’re right, we played back up quarterbacks, that’s why 0-7 is the same/worse than 3-6, whew! I can sleep now after discovering that universal truth
August 9th, 2010 at 11:16 pm
you’re delusional if you think the brown’s game will defy this coach’s tenure with the bucs…further eccentric short minded behavior
August 9th, 2010 at 11:17 pm
Javier, just so you know, I’m a staunch conservative (not that politics are a part of this board). I also was not calling for Gruden’s head, but was calling for a change (not necessarily head coach, but GM or personnel or something). I saw an old team that had lost it’s edge. Not saying that was Gruden’s fault. I’m sure a lot had to do with Allen. I think they missed on a few draft picks that they really needed to pan out. Some of the draft choices that did pan out either got injured (Caddy) or fell apart (Clayton).
The only beef I had with Gruden was that he was supposed to take a team that was purely a defensive team and add balance with the offense. More often than not while he was here, the team was in the bottom third of the league in offense. That was his failing in Tampa. Not whether he made the playoffs and lost early, but that he failed to give the team the balance that the ownership wanted. Without that balance, and with an aging team (both offense and defense), the team was beginning to fall apart. Could Gruden have revived it? Maybe, with a new GM and a concerted effort to bring young players in. I would have been happy with that.
Also, just for the record, I don’t live in Tampa, so don’t read the Tribune or any other paper there. I never saw the article pairing Gruden to Bush. That had no bearing on my thoughts whatsoever.
August 9th, 2010 at 11:19 pm
Amazing how angry and delusional some people are about Gruden.
August 9th, 2010 at 11:30 pm
I love it when we all get together for some quality family time. We have got to be the most disfunctional family in the entire NFL. Thats real! GO BUCS!
August 9th, 2010 at 11:34 pm
If you want to see the absolute pinnacle of anger and delusion, look no further than this comment:
“eric Says:
August 9th, 2010 at 10:31 pm
sub five hundred AFTER THE SUPER BOWL VICTORY.
There are eight words that will never be aplied to Raheem Morris in a zillion years!
Neither will Coach of NFC South Division Champions.
Or, Five Division Titles in Eleven Years of Coaching and only three losing seasons AND A SUPER BOWL WIN.
I know, I know “but hes only had one 3-13 season”
Well, get ready to rack up another one!”
ERIC — all I did was post a comment that Gruden was not fired for 9-7 and it made you SO ANGRY that you forgot about defending Gruden and attacked Morris. This is why no one should pay any attention to anything you or Thomas or Javier (RahDom) and many others have to say about Morris. Morris is just the target of your anger over Gruden’s termination.
August 9th, 2010 at 11:34 pm
Once again regarding backup QBs
Matt Ryan STARTED the game against the Bucs. We took him out with an injury to his toe on a sack in that game. If the stats are better because the backup came in, that’s thanks to the defense taking him out.
Matt Moore actually played better than Jake Delhomme. He was 4-1 as a starter with a 98.5 QB rating. He had 8 TDs to only 2 INTs. He started that game not because he was the backup, but because Delhomme was so bad that Moore was the better QB. If playing the better QB is cause for our defensive stats to go up, I can handle that.
And the other backup, Kellen Clemens. He was a backup, you’re right. We got beat bad that game. We gave up 4 FGs and 2 TDs. 26 points. The 4 FGs were probably the result of a backup QB not getting the job done. The 2 TDs were the result of the #4 RB in the NFL having 99 yards and 2 TDs. Yes, the best rushing team in the NFL and the 4th best individual rusher, combined with the #1 defense in the NFL beat us that game, not the backup QB. Even then, our stats were better than the first 8 weeks.
August 9th, 2010 at 11:42 pm
@BamBamBuc, spot on.
August 9th, 2010 at 11:45 pm
And the whole point is we got better, that does not translate to super bowl or Rah=coach of the year, it only means we were better, even if only a little as the year went on.
August 9th, 2010 at 11:48 pm
Gruden was 0-4 for the last 4 games of 2008
Morris was 2-2 for the last 4 games of 2009
Ergo, Morris is better than Gruden!
(Stand back . . . .)
August 9th, 2010 at 11:49 pm
Oh, and Gruden became stale. It was a broken record. And for the record it was us fans that got Gruden fired. It was us speaking up because over half a decade of mediocre sucks!
August 10th, 2010 at 12:18 am
Dont you all remember the ’06 season where Gruden led us to a dismal 4-12 record. You could make the case that that year was even worse than last year because we had talent that year, as opposed to last year. Every coach has bad years. Like I said earlier, maybe all we needed was to just ditch Allen but the fact of the matter is the Bucs decided to clean house. Cant go back now. One more year of Morris. If he doesnt get things together you can all clamor for Cowher if you want, but on the slight chance he does pull things together, I wonder how many of you will remain with your user names the same.
August 10th, 2010 at 1:09 am
Gruden was:
2008: 9-7
2007: 9-7
2006: 4-12
2005: 11-5
33 wins in 4 seasons. Forget the Super Bowl or the other division titles.
Raheem Morris:
2009: 3-13
Raheem needs 30 wins in the next 3 years.
If Raheem goes 8-8 this year, then he will need to go:
2010: 8-8
2011: 11-5
2012: 11-5
Can he do that? That will equal his win total to Jon Gruden in 4 years.
You want the full history of 57 wins? The Buccaneers record? Raheem will need to finish:
2013: 9-7
2014: 8-8
2015: 7-9
Compare him to Gruden’s career? Raheem will need to KEEP winning.
2016: 10-6
2017: 12-4
2018: 8-8
2019: 8-8
Compare him to Dungy?
You just can’t. Dungy never had a 3-13 season. In fact Dungy’s worst season was 6 losses with his FIRST season in Tampa. Dungy has 138 wins. Dungy set the tone in Tampa to win.
If ANYTHING is utterly appalling, is having the audacity to compare Raheem Morris to Tony Dungy. That is the biggest most ridiculous reach of all comparisons ever conjured up by apologists for Raheem’s case. It’s downright embarrassing to Tony or anyone’s intelligence. It is a sad and unfair comparison.
There was a 9 year period where Dungy had 10 wins per season expect for 1. And that one 9-7 season is what got Tony Dungy fired from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Guess who fired Tony Dungy?
Malcolm Glazer.
Guess who traded 2 first round draft picks and some other picks for Gruden?
Malcolm Glazer.
Guess who traded 2 first round picks for Keyshawn Johnson?
The Glazers approved.
Guess who Fired Jon Gruden after going 9-7?
The Glazers.
And guess who put an unproven defensive backs coach in the head coaching spot of a billion dollar NFL franchise?
The Glazer brats.
Guess who cut payroll?
Guess who borrowed money against the Buccaneers, AFTER the city paid for the practice facility and the stadium?
Guess who approved of gutting the Buccaneers All-Pro, Hall of Fame, Home Town hero Derrick Brooks without insisting he get the Brett Favre-esque tit for tat respect of debating retirement through the media? (That would have been fun too) Or at least insisting he retire a Buc before cutting him. And how did they cut him afterall? They put Raheem Moron and Pimple Face Dummynic in charge of the departing. Just listening to those two fools even mention Derrick Brooks name was sickening.
The Glazers brats have actually out done their old papi with this Raheem Morris hiring. They gave him the one upsmenship of moronic Buccaneer moves. The Glazer brats are following if their father’s footsteps, f—ing up the Tampa Bay Buccaneers one poor decision at a time.
August 10th, 2010 at 1:16 am
Basically, Raheem Morris will need to steer clear of 9-7, because that record seems to IRK the Glazer’s to high heaven.
Raheem, just don’t go 9-7 and you may be safe buddy.
August 10th, 2010 at 1:22 am
@Javier in Doucheland: Your comparison between Raheem’s 3-13 and Gruden’s 9-7 seasons is moronic at best. It was Gruden’s 7th year as Bucs head coach with an old team opposed to Raheem’s 1st with an inexperienced team. That simple logic wont go into your brain, because you have a thick skull and a tiny brain.
August 10th, 2010 at 1:33 am
@Javier
You seem to LOVE mediocrity. I suggest you jump on Washington Redskins bandwagon.
August 10th, 2010 at 1:35 am
@Javier
You sound a lot like Eric
August 10th, 2010 at 3:08 am
Odd that loser Javier=rahdom only notes 4 years of mediocre Jon’s years here.Javier=rahdom also is sadly mediocre. That must explain the raging Chucky mancrush and total Glazer envy. Love for .500 boy, hatred for the Self made Billionaires. Way ta go, Javidom! Maybe that’s good enough for a. “person” like you, but the Glazers are winners ! They aren’t gonna put up with a lousy coach just because some “guys” think he’s cute. They dumped that loser! Leaving Javidom bitterly resigned to staring longingly at his “Chucky gone wild” poster, and crying about everything Buc. The Bucs will be winners-soon! You need to find a team that is more like yourself- the lions come to mind!
August 10th, 2010 at 7:19 am
Interesting that Javier believes that the “liberals” ran Gruden out of town.
Nuts!!! By the way you don’t have to be a liberal to think Bush was a bad president….or to not like Gruden. It’s a good example of a large population of people in this country that scream liberal at anyone who disagrees with them.
August 10th, 2010 at 8:02 am
Nuts huh?
Maybe only sane people invent positives out of 3-13?
Raheem is a hero while Gruden was just aweful his last two 9-7 years.
Yeah, THAT makes sense!
You apologists have been caught redhanded trying to spin 3-13 and whenever you choose to start the Raheem the Dream clock into a positive, with NO real facts to reinforce this forced notion.
Someone actually claimed that 3-6 was an improvement to 0-7. What in the world kind of positive is that even??????????
As Eric likes to say, accepting 3-6 (3-13 in reality) as a positive, accepting close loses vs big loses as a positive is a first class ticket to loserville.
Loser fans in loserville living it up with Raheem the Dream. 🙂
August 10th, 2010 at 8:34 am
Javier — how many game would Morris have to win if you added the 2004 season to Gruden’s records. Curious why you left it off? Let’s see if my math is correct. If you add the 5 wins from 2004 then Gruden had 38 wins over 5 seasons, so if Morris went .500 every year he would beat Gruden, right??
(Stand back, Eric . . . I mean . . . . RahDom . . . . I mean Javier . . . is about to explode)
Oh, wait Gruden’s record included a SB winning roster, right? So, doesn;t that mean that Morris, who has no where near the talent, only needs to win 6 games a season going forward to beat Gruden?
🙂
August 10th, 2010 at 8:35 am
““Ridicule is the tribute paid to the genius by the mediocrities.”
Live long and prosper Chucky. These folks don’t deserve a winner, and neither do those back stabbing Glazer boys.
Almost put up or shut up time for “Rah” and the boys.
uh oh! A scoreboard, please no ANYTHING but a scoreboard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 10th, 2010 at 8:45 am
JImbuc,
in 11 years of coaching Gruden had 3 losing seasons. Rah will be 2/3 of the way there by seasons end.
The roster was not “Super Bowl winning” until it was won, with Chucky at the helm. The previous year it was one of those 9-7 playoff years that everyone hates, ending with a bad loss at Philly. (later avenged in dramatic fashion).
Rah had a “winning season” and “Division Champion” roster and truned it into a massive loser.
Of course six wins will be thoroughly outstanding in 2010, while nine was previously a disgrace.
It all makes perfect sense!
August 10th, 2010 at 9:10 am
Well, after reading all the post, it’s obvious we are all in agreement! After getting rid of the pathetic and inept Chucky, it looks like are years of mediocrity may finally be over! Halleluah! The Bucs are headed in the right direction! Raheem showed promise, but will be judged by this year. We have some great young talent( first time in years!), so finally watching the Bucs will be exciting! Much more so than the years of poor offense, and that rediculous ‘pointless motion’ the Lil Dictator subjected us to! Dominick has done a great Job! The Glazers remain dedicated to team excellence! All is good ( finally ) in Buc land, now that we are Chucky-free! We also agree that we are cursed with more” Fans” that have “crushes” on an ex coach than We could imagine! There are also 2 or 3 fans(Javier, Thomas, and sometimes mushy) that are totally clueless! But fortunately they live in the past, and are pretty much irrelevant
August 10th, 2010 at 9:22 am
Now which one of you guys are going to clean the erasers before recess? Can’t be the same one that got the cots out for nap time, we must be fair.
August 10th, 2010 at 9:46 am
I had to clean the erasers last time, it’s Jimbucs turn!
August 10th, 2010 at 10:03 am
Just wanted to be #100.
August 10th, 2010 at 10:08 am
OK, this is nuts…Javier, NO ONE SAID THAT 3 – 13 WAS NOT HORRIBLE. I do not think any one really thinnks Gruden is a bad coach. Your argument about backups is tired, Thomas and Eric have been using it for a while. They like you also say last years Bucs would be backups on other teams. We also had a bunch of first year starters on the team, so if this is true the other teasms still had more starters right? Also, the same argument would give Morris a pass for the rest of the god awful 09 season, since we used 2 backup quarterbacks after our starter went down. 2009 is over, and I think we can all agree that we are happy it is over. People just want to see there team succeed, and the team includes the coach. I am not sure why it is so hard for you guys to understan. and horn tooting over saying they should rest Price is down right stupid. First of all, you do not know how bad the injury is.
August 10th, 2010 at 10:50 am
Oh, then there is poor Eric! He is obsessed with Chucky! No matter what post we start with, it always ends up with Chucky! He’s so heartbroken, that you can’t help but feel bad for him
August 10th, 2010 at 11:24 am
Capt.Tim,
You got that right!
You still predicting 8-8 Mr. Football genius?
Care to put your money where your mouth is on that?
August 10th, 2010 at 11:30 am
The only savior the Raheem apologists have is that good ole Joe BF will cycle this article off the front page in a day or so.
Then you can continue to spew your delusions of how awesome a job Raheem has done last year. Eric and Thomas try to fight the good fight of honesty and accountability, but there just isn’t anyway that the logic and facts presented will ever be accepted by the delusional Raheem apologists.
For 0-7 is not reflective of Raheem, a masterful 3-6 is however. Really? While picking and choosing, why don’t you just say Raheem is 3-0 against the Packers, the Seahawks and the Super Bowl Champs. OH WAIT, someone said that too. LMAO at you clowns.
Raheem had a great draft, even though NO ONE has even seen these guys in a pre-season game much less a REAL game.
Raheem has the team on the right track, even though Raheem lost his last game, getting the ball ran down his defenses throat by a second string HB.
Raheem showed improvement even though he couldn’t coach the Bucs to wins in 3 straight games with Backup QBs??? A good coach should be able to coach out at least 2 wins in 3 games with back up QBs. SAD that is.
Oh, isn’t the notion that somehow we will beat the Steelers because they have a back up QB in Byron Leftwhich? If Raheem is 0-3 from the record you clowns chose to count, if he is 0-3 against back-up QBs, what makes you think that he can coach a win against the Steelers of 2010???? LMAO @ you clowns.
Its on now. The Buccaneers have the talent in place as everyone has been spewing as of late. Its all on Raheem Morris, our weakest link, schemes against every team on tye schedule’s offensive coordinator. No more excuses or blaming the players. Its on Raheem. Raheem will be out coached. You’ll see. No excuses. Deal?
August 10th, 2010 at 11:38 am
Guys like Eric and Javier need to seriously get a life and stop showing up on Bucs fan sites. Its obvious you guys have no team at the moment (as Chucky is not coaching any), but why are you still hanging onto the Buccaneers bandwagon is beyond me.
Grudenite: Fans of Jon Gruden
Buccaneers fan: Fan of Tampa Bay Bucs no matter who the owner is, coach is.
So Grudenites, please GTFO of here and open your own website JoeGrudenfan.com to continue your pathetic rambling.
August 10th, 2010 at 12:03 pm
Poor Eric: More delusion and anger:
eric Says:
August 10th, 2010 at 8:45 am
JImbuc,
in 11 years of coaching Gruden had 3 losing seasons. Rah will be 2/3 of the way there by seasons end.
The roster was not “Super Bowl winning” until it was won, with Chucky at the helm. The previous year it was one of those 9-7 playoff years that everyone hates, ending with a bad loss at Philly. (later avenged in dramatic fashion).
Rah had a “winning season” and “Division Champion” roster and truned it into a massive loser.
August 10th, 2010 at 12:06 pm
Nah, I like posting on this one, and pointing out the lunacy of firing Chucky and hiring Rah.
I am going to continue the pathetic rambling.
August 10th, 2010 at 12:09 pm
Jimbuc,
Thanks for re-posting my comments!
Still predicting 11 losses or so for the 2010 rebuilding effort?
August 10th, 2010 at 12:17 pm
Cannot believe this OBVIOUS point is lost on the Gruden crowd: Gruden was fired for his own failings. Morris has nothing to do with that.
(well, I can believe it is lost on Javier . . . uh . . RahDom . . . . uh . . . Eric’s minnie me . . . whoever you really are)
Hey Gruden girls, the point is that Gruden is IRRELEVANT as regards Morris. You guys are just so angry about the loss of Gruden that you cannot help but compare the two over and over and over. That’s ridiculous and irrelevant. Morris did not fire Gruden, Morris was just the next guy selected. Gruden was fired for his own failings, not Morris’ success. Even if you guys are not, Gruden is a big boy. He can handle it. So get over Gruden or start a fan club or maybe a separate message board just for all things Gruden, but there’s no reason to keep making the comparison OTHER THAN TO KEEP SHOWING OVER AND OVER AGAIN that no one should pay any attention to you because you are all just jaded, bitter, sniveling little Gruden lovers.
August 10th, 2010 at 12:20 pm
Javier, you have really cranked up the jack ass level on this one. The Capt rips on Gruden, but most of the posters here do not. SOmetimes I think Capt Tim is just messing with you and Eric. I have not heard ANYONE call Morris a hero, we just are saying give the process a chance. Are you 15 or something, do you not know that sports teams rebuild every so often? I was a big fan of Gruden, and a huge fan of Dungy, and I hoe to be a huge fan of Morris. Give the guy a chance to prove it this year. And please stop using your Apologist thing, it makes you sound like an ass.
August 10th, 2010 at 12:28 pm
Come on guys, shhh! The light are out and you know that means it’s nap time!
August 10th, 2010 at 12:50 pm
McBuc, you are a Raheem apologist. Face it buddy.
August 10th, 2010 at 12:52 pm
If anybody sounds like asses it would be the Raheem apologists claiming that Raheem’s record is 3-6 and not 3-13.
August 10th, 2010 at 12:57 pm
Oar- I’m still cleaning the erasers, even though it was Eric’s turn!! McBuc- What? Me? Harassing the Chuckettes.? Never!
August 10th, 2010 at 1:10 pm
Someone asked Rah to clean the erasers, and he came back with a box of #2 pencils all shiny on one end………….
August 10th, 2010 at 1:28 pm
Anyone from the Gruden Fan Club care to explain how Gruden’s firing has any relevance to Morris’s performance? Other than anger, why does every discussion about Morris devolve into a discussion of Gruden?
August 10th, 2010 at 1:33 pm
Jimbuc,
As far as I can tell, absolutely nothing.
Rah totally sucks all on his own!
Gruden is not the least bit responsible for it! Thank you for proving my point.
August 10th, 2010 at 2:39 pm
Eric — thanks for proving mine
August 10th, 2010 at 3:00 pm
JimBuc, Well, I’ll take a stab at it. Although it’s just a shank, I’ll try. For me, it’s not so much Gruden versus Raheem, as it is ex-coach versus new one. Just so happens one is very experienced and the other is not. I know. I know, everybody has to start somewhere. But, Dungy supporters did it when he was fired. I think they call it successors and predecessors? My problem in a nut shell is, if you fire someone at least try and get a reasonable replacement. Why not hire a more experienced coach to match the one you are firing? Like owning a BMW and trading it in for a Hyundai, doesn’t make sense. In other words, Im not blaming Raheem for firing Gruden or anyone else, just having a hard time swallowing the replacement for him. Ah nevermind, that was more of a pocketknife stab.
BTW I have said and will say it again, most of the times it’s the haters bringing Gruden up first. For as many posters that bring him up, there are just as many to hate on him too.
August 10th, 2010 at 3:39 pm
OAR…some of those new Hyundai are freaking nice. LOL
August 10th, 2010 at 3:48 pm
McBuc, “some of those new Hyundai are freaking nice.” But, those are really just BMWs with implants and botox!
August 10th, 2010 at 4:27 pm
Going and going and going… lol
August 10th, 2010 at 4:29 pm
Oar said:
“My problem in a nut shell is, if you fire someone at least try and get a reasonable replacement. Why not hire a more experienced coach to match the one you are firing?”
I believe that this truely is the common denominator.
That is all that needs to be said.
Not Wyche vs Dungy vs Gruden or Gruden vs Raheem. It’s the replacement choice by the Glazers is very suspect.
Good point oar, all in such a short post. 🙂
August 10th, 2010 at 5:13 pm
Signed
-Bill Walsh combines 8 wins his first 2 seasons as a HC
-Bill Parcells 3-12-1 first season as a HC
-Bill Billichick 6-10 first season as a HC
-Tom Landry first season as a HC 0-11-1 and had 5 or fewer wins in each of his next four season.
-Chuck Noll 1-13 first season as a HC followed by a 5-9 season ans 6-8
-Vince lombardi 7-5 in first season as HC
August 10th, 2010 at 6:46 pm
Rican, you compare him to those guys? How about the list of reality:
Faye Abbott Years: 2 Year: 1928-1929 __ Games: 13 Wins: 0 Losses: 13
Dim Batterson Years: 1 Year: 1927 __ Games: 5 Wins: 0 Losses: 5
Joe Brandy Years: 1 Year: 1924 __ Games: 6 Wins: 0 Losses: 6
Charlie Brickley Years: 1 Year: 1921 __ Games: 2 Wins: 0 Losses: 2
Frank Bridges Years: 1 Year: 1944 __ Games: 5 Wins: 0 Losses: 5
Coonie Checkaye Years: 1 Year: 1921 __ Games: 2 Wins: 0 Losses: 2
Algy Clark Years: 1 Year: 1934 __ Games: 8 Wins: 0 Losses: 8
Stan Cofall Years: 1 Year: 1920 __ Games: 3 Wins: 0 Losses: 2
Frank Coughlin Years: 1 Year: 1921 __ Games: 2 Wins: 0 Losses: 1
Jim Crowley Years: 1 Year: 1947 __ Games: 10 Wins: 0 Losses: 10
Herb Dell Years: 1 Year: 1922 __ Games: 8 Wins: 0 Losses: 8
Tex Grigg Years: 1 Year: 1925 __ Games: 7 Wins: 0 Losses: 6
Bo Hanley Years: 1 Year: 1924 __ Games: 5 Wins: 0 Losses: 4
Dutch Hendrian Years: 1 Year: 1923 __ Games: 5 Wins: 0 Losses: 5
Austin Higgins Years: 1 Year: 1921 __ Games: 2 Wins: 0 Losses: 2
Ken Huffine Years: 1 Year: 1920 __ Games: 1 Wins: 0 Losses: 1
Hal Hunter Years: 1 Year: 1984 __ Games: 1 Wins: 0 Losses: 1
Bull Karcis Years: 1 Year: 1942 __ Games: 8 Wins: 0 Losses: 8
Ed Kubale Years: 1 Year: 1944 __ Games: 5 Wins: 0 Losses: 5
Hank Kuhlmann Years: 1 Year: 1989 __ Games: 5 Wins: 0 Losses: 5
Leo Lyons Years: 2 Year: 1923-1924 __ Games: 7 Wins: 0 Losses: 7
Alfred McGall Years: 1 Year: 1930 __ Games: 3 Wins: 0 Losses: 3
Wally McIlwain Years: 1 Year: 1926 __ Games: 2 Wins: 0 Losses: 2
Dick Modzelewski Years: 1 Year: 1977 __ Games: 1 Wins: 0 Losses: 1
Johnny Murphy Years: 1 Year: 1924 __ Games: 4 Wins: 0 Losses: 4
Al Nesser Years: 1 Year: 1926 __ Games: 2 Wins: 0 Losses: 1
Tam Rose Years: 1 Year: 1921 __ Games: 1 Wins: 0 Losses: 1
Lenny Sachs Years: 1 Year: 1926 __ Games: 4 Wins: 0 Losses: 4
Andy Salata Years: 1 Year: 1930 __ Games: 3 Wins: 0 Losses: 3
Shorty Barr Years: 1 Year: 1926 __ Games: 3 Wins: 1 Losses: 2
Tom Bettis Years: 1 Year: 1977 __ Games: 7 Wins: 1 Losses: 6
Hugo Bezdek Years: 2 Year: 1937-1938 __ Games: 14 Wins: 1 Losses: 13
Fred Bruney Years: 1 Year: 1985 __ Games: 1 Wins: 1 Losses: 0
Cam Cameron Years: 1 Year: 2007 __ Games: 16 Wins: 1 Losses: 15
Bill Conkright Years: 1 Year: 1962 __ Games: 9 Wins: 1 Losses: 8
Mel Doherty Years: 1 Year: 1921 __ Games: 4 Wins: 1 Losses: 3
Walt Driskill Years: 1 Year: 1949 __ Games: 8 Wins: 1 Losses: 7
Charley Ewart Years: 1 Year: 1949 __ Games: 12 Wins: 1 Losses: 10
Jack Fish Years: 1 Year: 1930 __ Games: 6 Wins: 1 Losses: 4
Fred Gillies Years: 1 Year: 1928 __ Games: 6 Wins: 1 Losses: 5
Hinkey Haines Years: 1 Year: 1931 __ Games: 4 Wins: 1 Losses: 3
Dick Hanley Years: 1 Year: 1946 __ Games: 3 Wins: 1 Losses: 1
Ernie Hefferle Years: 1 Year: 1975 __ Games: 8 Wins: 1 Losses: 7
Jack Hegarty Years: 1 Year: 1921 __ Games: 3 Wins: 1 Losses: 2
Jack Heldt Years: 1 Year: 1926 __ Games: 7 Wins: 1 Losses: 6
Max Hicks Years: 1 Year: 1921 __ Games: 5 Wins: 1 Losses: 3
Herb Joesting Years: 1 Year: 1929 __ Games: 10 Wins: 1 Losses: 9
Al Jolley Years: 2 Year: 1929-1933 __ Games: 12 Wins: 1 Losses: 10
Walt Koppisch Years: 1 Year: 1925 __ Games: 9 Wins: 1 Losses: 6
Ollie Kraehe Years: 1 Year: 1923 __ Games: 7 Wins: 1 Losses: 4
Lou Mahrt Years: 1 Year: 1927 __ Games: 8 Wins: 1 Losses: 6
Pete McCulley Years: 1 Year: 1978 __ Games: 9 Wins: 1 Losses: 8
Ed McKeever Years: 1 Year: 1948 __ Games: 14 Wins: 1 Losses: 13
Ray McLean Years: 2 Year: 1953-1958 __ Games: 14 Wins: 1 Losses: 12
Jack Meagher Years: 1 Year: 1946 __ Games: 6 Wins: 1 Losses: 5
Frank Nied Years: 1 Year: 1926 __ Games: 6 Wins: 1 Losses: 3
Fred O’Connor Years: 1 Year: 1978 __ Games: 7 Wins: 1 Losses: 6
Bill Peterson Years: 2 Year: 1972-1973 __ Games: 19 Wins: 1 Losses: 18
Rod Rust Years: 1 Year: 1990 __ Games: 16 Wins: 1 Losses: 15
Tom Scott Years: 1 Year: 1946 __ Games: 7 Wins: 1 Losses: 6
Ken Shipp Years: 1 Year: 1975 __ Games: 5 Wins: 1 Losses: 4
Jim Shofner Years: 1 Year: 1990 __ Games: 7 Wins: 1 Losses: 6
Steve Spagnuolo Years: 1 Year: 2009 __ Games: 16 Wins: 1 Losses: 15
Dick Stanfel Years: 1 Year: 1980 __ Games: 4 Wins: 1 Losses: 3
Emmitt Thomas+ Years: 1 Year: 2007 __ Games: 3 Wins: 1 Losses: 2
Russell Tollefson Years: 1 Year: 1922 __ Games: 4 Wins: 1 Losses: 3
Ron Waller Years: 1 Year: 1973 __ Games: 6 Wins: 1 Losses: 5
Chile Walsh Years: 1 Year: 1934 __ Games: 3 Wins: 1 Losses: 2
Hubert Wiggs Years: 1 Year: 1922 __ Games: 4 Wins: 1 Losses: 3
Doc Young Years: 2 Year: 1925-1926 __ Games: 8 Wins: 1 Losses: 7
Pat Boland Years: 1 Year: 1946 __ Games: 6 Wins: 2 Losses: 3
Johnny Bryan Years: 2 Year: 1925-1926 __ Games: 15 Wins: 2 Losses: 13
Eddie Casey Years: 1 Year: 1935 __ Games: 11 Wins: 2 Losses: 8
Pete Cawthon Years: 2 Year: 1943-1944 __ Games: 15 Wins: 2 Losses: 13
Jack Chevigny Years: 1 Year: 1932 __ Games: 10 Wins: 2 Losses: 6
Al Cornsweet Years: 1 Year: 1931 __ Games: 10 Wins: 2 Losses: 8
Luby DiMeolo Years: 1 Year: 1934 __ Games: 12 Wins: 2 Losses: 10
Bob Dove Years: 1 Year: 1946 __ Games: 5 Wins: 2 Losses: 2
Chuck Drulis Years: 1 Year: 1961 __ Games: 2 Wins: 2 Losses: 0
Marty Feldman Years: 2 Year: 1961-1962 __ Games: 17 Wins: 2 Losses: 15
Budge Garrett Years: 1 Year: 1922 __ Games: 6 Wins: 2 Losses: 1
Hank Gillo Years: 1 Year: 1920 __ Games: 7 Wins: 2 Losses: 5
Hal Hanson Years: 1 Year: 1932 __ Games: 12 Wins: 2 Losses: 7
Mel Hein+ Years: 1 Year: 1947 __ Games: 3 Wins: 2 Losses: 1
Harvey Johnson Years: 2 Year: 1968-1971 __ Games: 26 Wins: 2 Losses: 23
Jim Leonard Years: 1 Year: 1945 __ Games: 10 Wins: 2 Losses: 8
Ned Mathews Years: 1 Year: 1946 __ Games: 5 Wins: 2 Losses: 2
Harry Mehre Years: 1 Year: 1923 __ Games: 9 Wins: 2 Losses: 5
Wayne Millner+ Years: 1 Year: 1951 __ Games: 10 Wins: 2 Losses: 8
Charley Moran Years: 1 Year: 1927 __ Games: 8 Wins: 2 Losses: 5
Al Pierotti Years: 1 Year: 1920 __ Games: 5 Wins: 2 Losses: 2
Ray Prochaska Years: 1 Year: 1961 __ Games: 2 Wins: 2 Losses: 0
Terry Robiskie Years: 2 Year: 2000-2004 __ Games: 9 Wins: 2 Losses: 7
Jim Schwartz Years: 1 Year: 2009 __ Games: 16 Wins: 2 Losses: 14
Ted Shipkey Years: 1 Year: 1947 __ Games: 3 Wins: 2 Losses: 1
Herb Sies Years: 1 Year: 1923 __ Games: 8 Wins: 2 Losses: 3
Jerry Smith Years: 1 Year: 1971 __ Games: 5 Wins: 2 Losses: 3
Mal Stevens Years: 1 Year: 1946 __ Games: 7 Wins: 2 Losses: 4
Chuck Studley Years: 1 Year: 1983 __ Games: 10 Wins: 2 Losses: 8
Gus Tebell Years: 1 Year: 1923 __ Games: 3 Wins: 2 Losses: 0
Joe Thomas Years: 1 Year: 1974 __ Games: 11 Wins: 2 Losses: 9
Rick Venturi Years: 2 Year: 1991-1996 __ Games: 19 Wins: 2 Losses: 17
Carl Voyles Years: 1 Year: 1948 __ Games: 14 Wins: 2 Losses: 12
Willie Wilkin Years: 1 Year: 1946 __ Games: 5 Wins: 2 Losses: 2
Ray Willsey Years: 1 Year: 1961 __ Games: 2 Wins: 2 Losses: 0
Larry Wilson+ Years: 1 Year: 1979 __ Games: 3 Wins: 2 Losses: 1
Hoge Workman Years: 1 Year: 1931 __ Games: 10 Wins: 2 Losses: 8
Jim Bates Years: 1 Year: 2004 __ Games: 7 Wins: 3 Losses: 4
Wayne Brenkert Years: 2 Year: 1923-1924 __ Games: 10 Wins: 3 Losses: 7
Untz Brewer Years: 1 Year: 1922 __ Games: 10 Wins: 3 Losses: 5
Marty Brill Years: 1 Year: 1931 __ Games: 7 Wins: 3 Losses: 3
Jap Douds Years: 1 Year: 1933 __ Games: 11 Wins: 3 Losses: 6
Frank Fausch Years: 2 Year: 1921-1922 __ Games: 8 Wins: 3 Losses: 5
Perry Fewell Years: 1 Year: 2009 __ Games: 7 Wins: 3 Losses: 4
Mike Getto Years: 1 Year: 1942 __ Games: 11 Wins: 3 Losses: 8
George Gibson Years: 1 Year: 1930 __ Games: 14 Wins: 3 Losses: 10
Pete Henry+ Years: 2 Year: 1926-1928 __ Games: 23 Wins: 3 Losses: 17
Wally Hess Years: 3 Year: 1922-1924 __ Games: 18 Wins: 3 Losses: 12
Lou Holtz Years: 1 Year: 1976 __ Games: 13 Wins: 3 Losses: 10
Jack Keogh Years: 1 Year: 1926 __ Games: 10 Wins: 3 Losses: 7
Billy Marshall Years: 2 Year: 1920-1921 __ Games: 15 Wins: 3 Losses: 8
Keith Molesworth Years: 1 Year: 1953 __ Games: 12 Wins: 3 Losses: 9
Raheem Morris Years: 1 Year: 2009 __ Games: 16 Wins: 3 Losses: 13
Ted Nesser Years: 2 Year: 1920-1921 __ Games: 19 Wins: 3 Losses: 14
Mike Palm Years: 1 Year: 1933 __ Games: 7 Wins: 3 Losses: 3
Pat Peppler Years: 1 Year: 1976 __ Games: 9 Wins: 3 Losses: 6
Bobby Petrino Years: 1 Year: 2007 __ Games: 13 Wins: 3 Losses: 10
Jim Ringo+ Years: 2 Year: 1976-1977 __ Games: 23 Wins: 3 Losses: 20
Les Steckel Years: 1 Year: 1984 __ Games: 16 Wins: 3 Losses: 13
Pete Stinchcomb Years: 1 Year: 1923 __ Games: 7 Wins: 3 Losses: 4
John Whelchel Years: 1 Year: 1949 __ Games: 7 Wins: 3 Losses: 3
August 10th, 2010 at 6:52 pm
Oh just go here and see that 131 coaches have only 3 wins and Raheem is on that long list. (Filter by wins twice)
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/
Very interseting website. Enjoy.
August 10th, 2010 at 6:55 pm
I like the filter by games over .500 filter.
That separates the men from the boys.
BTW, Bill Cowher is still a beast.
And Tony Dungy and Marty Schottenheimer had some sick +.500 differentials of coaches that coached in the 2000’s.
August 10th, 2010 at 7:01 pm
Whose reality???? No one knew what their careers would be lol, the coaches i listed are arguably some of the greatest. I simply put that there is no way in hell anyone would have known they’d become that unless they were given the chances they were given. You can sit there
August 10th, 2010 at 7:04 pm
Just because they ended up winning means they must be somehow the exception??? Give me a break lol!
August 10th, 2010 at 7:05 pm
I cant post all my comment for some reason. Its whatever lol. Im not gonna rewrite it all just so the same thing can happen lol.
August 10th, 2010 at 8:16 pm
oar — what does Morris have to do with the Glazers decision to hire him? He cannot change his experience level, except with time. He had ZERO to do with the Gruden termination. So, bitch all you want at the Glazers but it is simply unfair to criticize Morris just because you liked Gruden. That seems like a simple concept to me. Lost on most here though.
August 10th, 2010 at 8:55 pm
I believe Raheem Morris had a lot to do with Lil Chucky getting his ass fired!makes me respect him even more, for caring about the Team enough to chase that mediocre midget outta town! Raheem was on the staff, as the players turned on the Chuckster, they turned toward the Dream! Obviously that got back to the big office! Score- Raheem!, loser- Lil Chucky! Big winner- Buc Fans!!
August 11th, 2010 at 8:34 am
JimBuc, Listen Im tired of you lumping me in with this “So, bitch all you want at the Glazers but it is simply unfair to criticize Morris just because you liked Gruden.” group mentality. Raheem has done plenty last year and really not much this year(at least not like last year) to justifiy my disliking. It has nothing to do with Gruden. Again, my issue was with who they replaced him with. Was I dissappointed they fired him? Yes, but I do UNDERSTAND why they did it. So please just quit with your, “Oh you dont like or approve of Raheem? Oh then, you must love Gruden or that you hate Raheem cause Gruden was fired agenda” – CRAP!
August 11th, 2010 at 8:36 am
CaptTim, You are starting to annoy! What a shame.