Clayton For Haynesworth “Might Happen”
August 24th, 2010
"Dear Bruce, I've always appreciated your steadfast belief in me through all those hard times when Coach Gru didn't understand me."
Joe was flabbergasted listening to veteran Bucs beat writer Roy Cummings tell 770 AM in Fort Myers that notorious facestomper Albert Haynesworth could possibly wear pewter and red this year and, even better, possibly come to the Bucs from Washington for Michael Clayton.
Yes, that Michael Clayton, the wide receiver with iconic blocking prowess and a bloated contract.
Speaking late Monday on the Miller & Moulton Show, Cummings was tossed a specific question about Haynesworth having any value for the Bucs as a defensive end, and Cummings was quick to say Haynesworth could make the Bucs a better team and Redskins general manager Bruce Allen likely is obsessed with Clayton.
Miller & Moulton: Albert Haynesworth is two years and $9 million total for this year and next year, and he clearly wants to play defensive end in a 4-3. And when he’s motivated and playing defensive end in a 4-3, or even tackle but moves to end in pass rushing situations, he is a force. Does that make any sense at all [for the Bucs]?. …It’s a need. He’ll be motivated. Does that make any sense at all?
Roy Cummings: It makes a great deal of sense and here’s why: Don’t forget. The Buccaneers were the team that offered Albert Haynesworth more money than anybody else in the NFL last year. A lot of people forget that – conveniently want to ignore that fact. … You know what, I think it makes all kinds of sense. It’s a ballsy move. I don’t know if he’s going to do it. They do want to be young here more than anything. But you know what, if Stylez White can’t wake up in these last two preseason games and show them what he’s got, why not? Go give it a shot. I mean, money really is not an issue. People don’t want to believe that here. Everybody, you know, on your end of things here in Tampa Bay wants to keep talking about money here and money there and how much the Glazers are or are not spending. I can tell you right now, if they think can get Albert Haynesworth, and it ends up becoming a wash in terms of what the payroll is, they’ll do it. And they’ll go out and get him. And you know what, he’ll make the team a better football team in a hurry.
Miller & Moulton: The Redskins have an obvious need at wide receiver. Then who knows? Maybe they can do [Michael] Clayton for Haynesworth straight up?
Cummings: Well, it might happen. … And let’s not forget, Bruce Allen drafted Michael Clayton. … One thing Bruce Allen will always do as an NFL general manager is try to prove that many mistakes he’s made as a general manager were not mistakes at all. He’s not good at what he does. And he makes a situation worse by trying to constantly prove that he did not make a mistake in drafting this guy in the first round, second round, third round, … I wouldn’t be surprised to see him do it again.
Cummings sure dropped a lot of juicy bombs there. And now we all know he won’t won’t be getting a Christmas card from Allen.
Joe can’t fathom the Bucs making a play for Haynesworth. The guy’s got more baggage than Tampa International on the day after Thanksgiving. However, dumping Clayton’s contract might be an incentive, and Haynesworth surely would sell his share of tickets and generate all kinds of buzz. And he’s only 29 years old.
Maybe Mark Dominik really is interested?
If the Bucs did consider giving up on Stylez White as a starter and using Haynesworth as their No. 1 right end, Joe suspects that wouldn’t make the Bucs a better team.
But since his head coach is a defensive mastermind schooled in the fine art of leading violent young men to greatness, Dominik might be motivated to roll the dice on Haynesworth.
August 24th, 2010 at 7:00 am
Cummings is always good for a laugh!
August 24th, 2010 at 7:05 am
Sorry Mike Shanahan but you can keep your malcontent in DC – the Bucs don’t need no toxic facestomper down here in tampa.
August 24th, 2010 at 7:53 am
This trade will never happen, but if it were to happen, at least the money would be going to a player that is dominant at his position.
August 24th, 2010 at 8:06 am
dont know how he would effect the mental growth of Price and Mccoy but it would improove our defence , and give clayton a chance to start his career over i wish them both the best however im not really a player fan im a bucs fan ,LETS GO TEAM
August 24th, 2010 at 8:10 am
Complete and utter bullsh*t…..give me a break…
This is the stupidest article I’ve ever read….literally.
August 24th, 2010 at 8:14 am
Even with all his drama, Albert would be a good trade. But this will never happen, especially a straight up trade for Clayton, in our dreams.
But how is Albert going to play DE? Isnt he too big for that? He has to be DT, so if he is going to whine about that we dont need him.
August 24th, 2010 at 8:18 am
Hell yes make the trade.This guy would have to improve our run defense.Redskins will never make this trade,they know we will end up cutting Clayton and they get him for nothing.
August 24th, 2010 at 8:23 am
If this article were in print, I could have wiped my @$$ with it this morning.
Come on Joe.
August 24th, 2010 at 8:26 am
Joe here,
bucfanjeff – Cummings said it. Joe wrote about it. You expect Joe to ignore something this interesting, even if it is unlikely? You know better than that.
August 24th, 2010 at 8:45 am
Mr. Cummings is the one “not good at what he does”. Why on earth would the bucs draft two DT’s in the first two rounds of the draft and then trade for a DT?
For a DT that failed miserable last year and can’t get through two practices in a row this year?
Has to be pne of the dumbest article ever written, and demonstrates that this guy doesn’t know didley squat about pro football.
August 24th, 2010 at 8:54 am
You people have got to be kidding me, lol. There is absolutely no way Haynesworth will EVER be a Buccaneer.
Had Joe been the one to write this article, I would swear he thought it were April 1st. The joke, I guess, is that Cummings still has a job when he writes idiotic stuff like this…but I guess he’s “making up the news” like most media guys these days.
First part of the joke: That Clayton, who was also in the doghouse under Bruce Allen/Jon Gruden, would have value anywhere near what Haynesworth has. Even though Haynesworth’s behavior has been questionable, he hasn’t dropped THAT far in value!
Secondly, we already are stacked at defensive tackle. The Bucs are in no way looking to add another…especially not with the potential our young guys have. Raheem will want our guys stepping up to start, and there’s no way Haynesworth would queitly be benched when the time comes. Too much potential drama.
And finally, I think this is all born out of the hopes that Clayton will be gone before season start…and that people are considering the impossible.
While listening to Dan Sileo (on 620 WDAE) this morning, a caller asked it Ward and Clayton have any trade value. Dan said we should just cut them and cut our losses, because the most we would get is a 6th round pick (which is uselesss in HIS eyes).
I disagree with him. First, Ward ran behind Zone Blocking in the north, and a team with Zone Blocking would value him more than a 6th round pick.
Second, contrary to Dan’s comments, a 6th round pick can actually make this team better (see Sammie Stroughter).
And finally, as I have said elsewhere, we need to throw Stovall under the bus as well. To the right team, he might even have 4th or 5th round value, and frankly, we no longer need his inconsistant play here. His impact on special teams has been lessening, and we have gotten young guys on ST to make up for getting rid of him.
Not to mention, cutting Stovall make the most sense economically.
August 24th, 2010 at 8:55 am
@ Eric
The guy was on QBs faces all the time last year and he made his fellow players better on D we need someone like that here. When he is rushing from the DE position he is pretty good too, better than what we have right now. I doubt the trade will happen specially staright up for Clayton but maybe if we sprinkle the Goat in there we might get some done, heck they can take Ward too.
August 24th, 2010 at 8:57 am
@me
“Second, contrary to Dan’s comments, a 6th round pick can actually make this team better (see Sammie Stroughter).”
I meant a 6th round or later, obviously.
August 24th, 2010 at 9:04 am
@Pete Ducher
Never say Never! Who ever thought that the Glazers would dump a respectable Head Coach and elevate a mere positions coach to be a; “head coach is a defensive mastermind schooled in the fine art of leading violent young men to greatness, Dominik might be motivated to roll the dice on Haynesworth.”
Sorry, Joe. Couldn’t help but play with that!
August 24th, 2010 at 9:22 am
Ward & Clayton for Haynesworth. Two mistakes for the price of one! Redskins are in desperate need of a RB & WR!
August 24th, 2010 at 9:39 am
Wow!
I am glad I read the comments first too.
At least most of you guys are grounded to reality.
And it looks like the consensus is that Roy Cummings is a freakin moron. Why does that make me happy? Because for years I have disliked Roy’s sports ‘stories’. The worst part about his ‘story’ was not even the Clayton for Haynsworth invention; he sat there and trashed Bruce Allen. Dude, let it go you moron. You are NOT an expert about the Bucs like you claim on TBO.com and you are terrible as a sports writer. Just plain terrible. You aren’t even the best sports writer for the trib. Looks like someone thought Bruce Allen was worthwhile, he is making many more millions than you are with the Washington Redskins, paid to actually make decisions. Roy, what kind of decisions does the Trib let you make? Which topics you and Anwar are going to get to blog about? One last thing, Roy CUMmings, Jon Gruden is a Monday Night Football prime time announcer, as well as being called by ESPN for expertise at the NFL draft, sitting right next to Mel Kiper and Chris Berman… again, NATIONAL TELEVISION.
Roy, what do you do? Oh yeah you blog for the local market last place Buccaneers. Don’t be jealous that those guys are sought after and paid millions of dollars while you are barely making minimum wage as a news paper sports writer.
And yes, Roy CUMmings on Raheem, you chased away Allen and Gruden through your slant, you made you Raheem the Dream bed, now lie in it you ugly b!tch.
August 24th, 2010 at 9:50 am
If we have to give Clayton, Ward, and a draft pick for Haynesworth, do it! Allen may just be stupid enough, and Shanahan and Albert have real problems.
August 24th, 2010 at 9:51 am
That was the stupidest article I’ve ever read.
Haynesworth is a DT, he’s freaking HUGE. He would be the biggest player on the defensive line…….
Stylez White is a RDE, that is the position where your best pass/speed rusher lines up in this defense, anyone remember Simeon Rice@ 6’5″ and 268lbs???????? Stylez White is 270lbs.
Putting a 325lb DT at right defensive end in this defense predicated on team speed is stupid……….
IF……and I mean IF…..you were going to put Haynesworth at DE, than it would make more sense to put him at LDE……. Like Kevin Carter@6’5″ and 305lbs.
Haynesworth is bigger than Ryan Sims and Roy Miller, our 2 biggest D tackles………How would putting him at DE make any sense to anybody?
Just because he wants to play in a 4-3……..doesn’t mean he can play defensive end for the Bucs who happen to be pretty much the fastest 4-3 defense in the league.
August 24th, 2010 at 9:54 am
As far as a pure football move though, if we were able to get Haynesworth for Clayton, I would be all for it.
Cowher would be all but giddy about wanting to come to Tampa then 😉
August 24th, 2010 at 10:01 am
@ MOBucs
You said Cummings….
lmao
NOT!! HAPPENING!!
August 24th, 2010 at 10:06 am
Very well said Mr. Javier.
August 24th, 2010 at 10:35 am
Javier said…”Cowher would be all but giddy about wanting to come to Tampa then”
Really, I doubt he would want such a whiner on his team. You really should let go of this Cowher thing as well, he is not going to come to Tampa.
August 24th, 2010 at 10:58 am
I know fat Albert is pain in the backside to deal with, but he is still an outstanding talent. For cheaper picks, would love to see him on the team.
August 24th, 2010 at 12:26 pm
Chris Russell of espn radio DC just said Haynesworth isn’t making regular season roster of Redskins, and that they will most likely seek a trade.
August 24th, 2010 at 12:49 pm
DT Haynesworth to replace DE White. Way to use your brain Roy.
August 24th, 2010 at 12:55 pm
I don’t want Clayton or Haynesworth!
Clayton completely sucks, and Haynesworth has the brain of an Elephant Seal!
No to BOTH!
August 24th, 2010 at 1:07 pm
Elephant seals are smart!
August 24th, 2010 at 1:23 pm
I would like to see Haynesworth at NT, McCoy at DT, Price at LDE and White or whom ever can get the best penetration at RDE.
Heck, with as shatty as our team is at stopping the run, they should just use 5 lineman.
August 24th, 2010 at 1:30 pm
As most have said, RDE is a position of speed and agility… Albert could not play there EVER! The man is 350, not 325 as some have stated… 350 freaking pounds! Could he play LDE? Possibly. But I’m pretty sure Kyle Moore would be far more athletic and a better fit for this defense. The only thing AH could do in our D is play UT or NT and even then he could only play every 2 snaps because he would be asked to chase the ball and have is motor run constantly, something he is not good at doing. If he were to come in and be our 4th DT, I could handle that, as long as Clayton were sent packing… but I wouldn’t want or expect AH to be our leader, just go in for 2 plays every series to blow stuff up… but even then I am leery of him and his selfish act.
August 24th, 2010 at 1:35 pm
Unbelievable. I thought we had more thinkers among this bunch…
August 24th, 2010 at 1:40 pm
Maybe even toss Ruud to the outside and move Quincy Black to MLB so we can get stout against the run.
Quincy is fast and strong. Make him a MLB.
Let Ruud be an OLB.
August 24th, 2010 at 1:48 pm
Eric;
Your right, I didn’t mean to insult the Elephant Seals. They are indeed, smarter than Haynesworth.
August 24th, 2010 at 2:13 pm
I’d sign Adam Sandler as the Water Boy if I thought he could come in and stop the run. One thing Fat Albert can do is clog the middle and disrupt things to say the least. It’s not like we’ve been able to stop the huge leak in the middle of the defense this preseason.
August 24th, 2010 at 2:45 pm
If the Bucs did consider giving up on Stylez White as a starter and using Haynesworth as their No. 1 right end, Joe suspects that wouldn’t make the Bucs a better team. <——ludicrous
August 24th, 2010 at 4:07 pm
Cummings has the brain of a retarded elephant seal….
August 24th, 2010 at 6:42 pm
May as well make him a wide receiver. :}