Team Glazer Fires Back At BBC Report
June 7th, 2010
After the BBC reported that Team Glazer– largely using information dug up by a noted rival of Team Glazer — is further underwater with their English kickball team than an uncontrolled British Petroluem oil gusher in the Gulf of Texaco, Team Glazer put it’s new media relations director and former GOP operative to work typing a release denying the BBC report, per Vacation Man of the Bolshevik-like BSPN.
“Buccaneers fans should know that the Glazer family is as financially well-positioned as ever before. Companies they own generate revenues in excess of $800 million each year.
“Sophisticated real estate experts know that the family’s refinancing of their commercial real estate before the global meltdown has proven to be the wise move.
“While First Allied represents only a small portion of their asset portfolio, it continues to generate significant profits, enjoys over 90% occupancy, and has long term non-recourse financing.
“This franchise remains committed to bringing the resources to build its next championship team.”
Does Joe believe Team Glazer is in the red or the black? Joe believes this is all speculative and the only ones who really know are Team Glazer’s accountants and creditors.
Joe wonders what this Green character, the source of much of the information in the BBC report and a guy who wants to buy Team Glazer’s English kickball team, also dug up that he didn’t share with the BBC that would have damaged his chances of purchasing said kickball team?
Conflict of interest anyone?
June 7th, 2010 at 3:36 pm
Obvious to everyone but the BBC, apparently.
June 7th, 2010 at 3:37 pm
Second thought, I guess not so obvious because most here have ignored that part of your posts. 🙂
June 7th, 2010 at 3:47 pm
This is no different than a house mortgage or financing on a car.
Does anyone (who isnt in the mob) pay for these items in full right off the bat? No, you finance it, accrue debt and pay it off over the long run.
Does having to pay monthly payments on your car or house proclude you from being able to pay for oil changes, tune-ups or other fixes to your house over the course of paying off your loans? No of course not!
Facts are, the Glazers have not defaulted on any payments, and this whole report, though made public by the BBC, was produced by a rival executive who is a member of the group trying to buy the team from the Glazers. This whole “report” was designed to cause the exact effect it is having, aka pressure the glazers even more to have to sell.
Reality is though, they turned down a 2.2 billion offer to buy the team. If they really were in such time of dispair, wouldn’t they have jumped on that offer at the drop of a hat?
June 7th, 2010 at 3:59 pm
@ Glazer boys (or JimBuc aka the Glazer’s Lap Dog)
When will the Bucs re-sign Barret Ruud to a long term deal? Will the Bucs sign Penn to a long term deal?
If the Bucs are committed to build with young developed players, why are they not signing their restricted free agents for at least modest contracts?
This completely goes against the plan of re-building young… it is steering the team in the direction of an NFL farm team.
And don’t think for a minute that the Ruud or Penn will not walk after this year… and the only way to keep them would be to franchise one and pay through the nose for the other… ABOVE market value… the player will walk to a more successful franchise at MARKET value.
Until you start locking up Restricted Free agents, you fail to provide any proof that your franchise even has a plan. One last comment, you hired Raheem Morris as you head coach! LMAO!!!! THE laughing stock of the NFL.
June 7th, 2010 at 4:15 pm
Theyre not resigning them because they don’t have to. Every single other team in the NFL did that this year, safe for 3 players. Why are you so up in arms about a management team who practices business sense. If you could pay an employee 10 bucks an hour this year when they can’t leave your business and then give them the raise next year, why would you give them the raise THIS year?
Why are fans so desperate to put the cart before the horse?
June 7th, 2010 at 4:18 pm
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!
June 7th, 2010 at 4:18 pm
“Does having to pay monthly payments on your car or house proclude you from being able to pay for oil changes, tune-ups or other fixes to your house over the course of paying off your loans?”
If your loan obligations make you “cash poor”, YES it can cause you to neglect oil changes, tune-ups, etc. I don’t know if that’s the case with the Glazers, but based on their actions (lowest payroll since 2004), they are either cash poor, neglectful or just plain greedy. Pick your poison.
June 7th, 2010 at 4:28 pm
Bringing in 800 million dollars a year and also being 1.5 billion dollars in debt are not mutually exclusive.
On its own, the Glazer’s argument is not persuasive.
June 7th, 2010 at 4:36 pm
RahDom — get your head out of the clouds and look around. Most NFL teams are not siging RFAs to extensions. Ridiculous
June 7th, 2010 at 4:37 pm
The reason I say it is, when you won’t sign veterans to make your team better and you preach that going young is the right approach to even accept losing games while paining through the learning curve… then the team needs to take a position of locking up their young players… OR THE PLAYERS WILL WALK… Bucs might have leverage now, but only at the expense of losing their own, developed players next year when the players CHOOSE NOT to RE-SIGN.
Maybe I’m making too much sense… yeah Glazer boys, be penny wise and pound foolish.
The truth is, they are NOT building a solid foundation when they won’t lock up talented young players developed in their system.
Farm Team.
June 7th, 2010 at 4:39 pm
Does this level of debt mean that they are broke – of course not.
But think of this debt in these terms: if you purchase an asset with borrowed money ( for an example 1 million to buy a business valued at a million that generates 1 million in revenue annually) you are doing fine so long as the asset does not depreciate and the revenue continues to be able to cover the expenses including loan expenses.
The problem that any rookie financial person will agree with is that if revenues and business assets depreciate for any reason, the financial picture can become dangerous in an instant.
The point: for very wealthy men/family the ever-increasing debt will cause many to become concerned about why you are not paying down that debt to reduce the interest liability.
June 7th, 2010 at 4:48 pm
@JimBuc: OK, then why did they sign Williams to a 4-year deal? Why can they sign rookies to long-term deals, but their established players only get 1-year tenders? This makes no sense to me.
June 7th, 2010 at 5:07 pm
I wonder how much they spend on Hookers???
June 7th, 2010 at 5:07 pm
“Why can they sign rookies to long-term deals, but their established players only get 1-year tenders? This makes no sense to me.”
Because Ruud, Penn and the rest are RFA’s they have no choice but to sign the contracts or sit out and make nothing.
No rookie or his agent would ever sign a one year deal. If they were offered a one year deal then they most defiantely would sit out and enter the draft again and the team would have wasted a draft pick.
Penn can sit out the season if he likes but its not in his best interest and its not like the one year deal they are offering is chump change.
June 7th, 2010 at 5:13 pm
Louie — I think you might be joking. Not sure. This is what you said:
“@JimBuc: OK, then why did they sign Williams to a 4-year deal? Why can they sign rookies to long-term deals, but their established players only get 1-year tenders? This makes no sense to me.”
Williams is a rooki, right? Has to be signed to a contract, right? Otherwise he does not play, right?
Ruud and Penn (and every RFA in the NFL) are in a completely different situation. You understand that I assume, so maybe you were just joking
That’s why the Ruud/Penn stuff is so nonsensical. Everyone is complaining about the Bucs not doing somehting they do not have to do. How many among you have recently paid off your car loan or mortgage early? Same thing. Worse yet, the Bucs are not alone. Same thing all over the league. Here’s one example (from ESPN):
“INDIANAPOLIS — Colts president Bill Polian understands the contract issues receiver Reggie Wayne and defensive end Robert Mathis have that are keeping them away from this weekend’s mandatory minicamp.
But the uncertainty that comes with the last year of the collective bargaining agreement complicates things in a way that makes it sound highly unlikely either player will be getting a new deal.
“We’re not in a regular environment, that’s the problem,” Polian said. “I’ve spoken to both their agents, and I certainly respect both men and they make a good case. But the problem is we don’t have a system, and without a system you don’t know where contracts might or might not fit.”
June 7th, 2010 at 5:14 pm
“Team Glazer put their new media relations director and former GOP operative to work typing a release denying the BBC report”
This statement would be false. As is F-A-L-S-E. The Glazers did not deny the report that they are 1.1 billion pounds in debt, nor did they deny the interest rate (16.25%) that they will be paying on some of their Man U debt, nor did they deny borrowing “£388m ($570m) against shopping malls and £66m ($95m) against their American National Football League team, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.”
Joe, your smart, tell me where in the statement the Glazers released did they deny this?
BTW who knew the Glazers were actually using the Bucs to leverage debt…classy.
June 7th, 2010 at 5:21 pm
Too funny. Now the onus is on the accused to deny everything? What a mixed up world. The burden of proof should be on the BBC who relied on a report from a Green and Gold supporter. No one even takes issue with the source? Incredible. And yet the onus is on the Glazers, the owners of private companies, to explain. Silly. Man, backwards
June 7th, 2010 at 5:43 pm
The Glazers not giving restricted free agents long term deals has nothing to do with their finances. Look around the league, folks. EVERY team is doing this. The owners are taking advantage of the CBA situation. Plain and simple. Why is this so hard for some people to understand???
June 7th, 2010 at 5:45 pm
JimBuc-you need to understand when you write about another team, a sucessful team doing exactly what the Bucs are doing, NOBODY on JBF can read that. Maybe their eyes miss that kind of info, or their brains don’t comprehend the info, but their only response will be “Glazerhouses are cheap, gloom, doom our receivers suck cause they aren’t free agents or whoever some JBF fan wanted, and oh yeah, fire Radio”
And if the onus is on the Glazers to prove their innocence, wealth or good intentions, in this forum the onus seems to be on you to prove you’re not an owner, or owners son, or mans best lap friend.
So you should stop making sense, nobody here wants to hear that.
Or maybe one or two of us do.
June 7th, 2010 at 5:51 pm
JimBuc,
Wow, I mean wow…
You see, there is this funny thing called ‘libel’…it means that if I write in a freaking paper that you owe X amount of dollars which could denigrate your reputation then you can sue my ass if you can prove that I was wrong.
Do you understand the concept? It’s pretty simple, if the BBC is wrong then A. Deny the numbers reported and B. Sue them for Libel
Comprende?
June 7th, 2010 at 5:55 pm
MrGone,
I don’t know exactly why I even bother with responding…but the fact that the Bucs are the cheapest team in the NFL since 2004, and signed 2 free agents this offseason doesn’t indicate to you that the team might be “cheap” you won’t ever get the concept.
But I do have one question for you, can you be worse than 32 out of 32?
June 7th, 2010 at 5:57 pm
@JimBuc, I understand the players position. I’m just wondering why the Bucs didn’t give Williams a 1-year deal. That’s what they’re doing with their established players. That’s all.
And to give Indy as an example is a stretch. Indy is a Superbowl team. They can afford to play games like that with contracts. A 3-13 team needs to be a little more agressive to keep their players. After the 2010 season, the Bucs are going have about 17 UFA’s. They’ll be lucky to sign only a fraction of those players. As someone else has stated: FARM TEAM!
“Now the onus is on the accused to deny everything?” They didn’t hestiate denying the Sileo claim. If the BBC claim is wrong, what’s stopping them now?
June 7th, 2010 at 6:02 pm
Like the old saying goes… “Where there’s smoke, there’s fire.”
And over the past few years we’ve seen an awful lot of smoke concerning the Glazers finances.
I guess we now know why the Glazers hired high-powered Washington spin-doctors.
June 7th, 2010 at 6:06 pm
Didn’t the Broncos sign one of their RFA offensive lineman to a long term deal in the plast few days?
June 7th, 2010 at 6:07 pm
Quiet Eric! You’ll blow another of JimBuc’s talking points!
June 7th, 2010 at 6:11 pm
The Colts situation is not the same as the Bucs situation. Wayne and Mathis still have 2 years left on their deals. Similar to what is happening with Revis with the NYJ and A. Johnson of Houston. If the CBA mess wasn’t around, the Colts probably would have taken care of Wayne and Mathis.
Ruud and Penn were unlucky in that they would have been unrestricted free agents if not for the CBA situation. It is a simple thing for me. If the Bucs believe in Ruud and Penn, they should extend them. The Bucs are in Hades region of the salary cap, so even when the cap returns they will be fine. I don’t think the Bucs believe in either player enough to reward them. They obviously don’t believe in Ruud since they’ve pissed him off for a couple of years now. For Penn, the Bucs may think he will get fat and lazy with a new contract. Understandable since he has had weight issues in the past.
But the Bucs are playing Russian roulette with their players. They will have 17 free agents after 2010.
Here is the list-These are their base salaries for 2010.
Ronde Barber, CB, $3.0
Elbert Mack, CB, $470,000
Sabby Piscitelli, S, $550,000
Stylez G. White, DE, $1.37
Tanard Jackson, S, $550,000
Cadillac Williams, RB, $2.3
Clifton Smith, RB, $470,000
Mark Bradley, WR, $1.2
Maurice Stovall, WR, $1.17
Davin Joseph, G, $1.72
Jeremy Trueblood, T, $1.75
Donald Penn, T, TBA
John Gilmore, TE, $1.25
Jerramy Stevens, TE, $1.42
Quincy Black, LB, $550,000
Adam Hayward, LB, $550,000
Barrett Ruud, LB, $3.26
A lot of starters there. They can’t franchise everyone and that might not even be around anyway. Barber will probably retire. You’ve got at least 4 starters on D (Jackson, Ruud, Black, White). You’ve got 3 OL starters (Trueblood, Penn, Joseph). You have Cadillac and C. Smith on here. The Bucs created this mess and they will pay the piper in 2011.
June 7th, 2010 at 6:15 pm
Where there’s smoke….
These rumors about the Glazers and their finances have been going on for far too long and should not be ignored by anyone on both sides of the pond.
June 7th, 2010 at 6:26 pm
The Glazers statement is a non-statement. It is meaningless unless you know what companies they ae talking about, and the expenses associated with operating them.
But, if they truly wanted to stop all the rumors, open up the books.
June 7th, 2010 at 6:32 pm
The Glazer boys are moronic trust-fund babies running the empire thier poor ailing father built straight into the ground….they’ll be bankrupt in 5 years.
June 7th, 2010 at 6:59 pm
Hold on a minute let me get this right, as is and has been stated the Bucs have been the cheapest team in the league since 2004…
WOW then all the FA “winners” we brought in where had on the cheap..
no way!!
Makes me Proud to be a fan..
Of drafting and setting up contracts long term to be successful.
Correct me if i am wrong but where we not in salary CAP hell during this time as well? By signing lots of “good” FA..
maybe i missed something.
June 7th, 2010 at 7:05 pm
I just can’t stop laughing, listening to some of these minimum wage earning haters trying to Micro manage the Glazers multi billion dollar empire.
The Glazers are fine. The team will be fine soon. All the haters can return to your sad little lives.
June 7th, 2010 at 7:25 pm
Capt. Tim…a minimum wage earner is more qualified to run Malcolm’s empire than the Glazer boys…at least a minumum wage earner has actually held a real job before.
These 3 little dorks didn’t earn a DIME of that money , daddy earned it. All they are doing is spending it on toys they can’t afford , like a Billion Dollar gay Soccer team.
June 7th, 2010 at 7:36 pm
Oh, Thank God for you Capt. Tim! Your obvious superior intellect and Glazer knowledge, not to mention your grand earning potential, has put all of us commoners at ease. Now I can rest easy – the Glazers are fine and the Bucs are fine. Thank you, thank you, thank you Capt. Tim for your spot on insight!
June 7th, 2010 at 7:49 pm
As long as the team stays in Tampa I’ll be okay. I don’t care who owns them. It’s about time for a new owner anyway. So if the Glazer Report is all smoke and mirrors, and they lose the teams and their empire, I don’t care. Things like this usually end up sorting themselves out. It just takes a little patience.
June 7th, 2010 at 7:53 pm
Louie, if you cannot grasp a simple concept like RFA the you are a lost cause. I only picked Indy because it was at the top of a google search. The RFA issue applies to the whole league
June 7th, 2010 at 8:01 pm
The Bucs are absolutely the ONLY team in the NFL not handing out extensions:
From ESPN just a few days ago:
“As interesting as the offseason has been, it’s been an off year for doing deals because of the potential labor problems of 2011. Only 21 players received contract extensions worth more than $4 million a year. That’s less than one player per team. Teams have instead used the rope-a-dope strategy of retaining players on short-term deals, hoping a break in labor talks provides a plan for the future”
Here’s the link to the whole article. Try reading it:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=5259795
June 7th, 2010 at 8:12 pm
That list that Eric S made of all the free agents next offseason: scary as hell.
I know that we can’t sign all of them in one offseason, but can the Glazers sign at least one or two damn players?!?!? WHAT THE HELL?!?!? They said in that interview with TBO.com in March that their goal before going out to get players is to re-sign “their own” players. They’re not doing either one!
I know about the CBA problem and how serious it is. Yeah. But I don’t want that used as “the” excuse for the Glazers not trying to sign anyone. I’m seeing other teams sign players to deals, teams that don’t have anywhere near the amount of money that we have available to spend. Yes, as usual we have the most money of anyone because the Glazers refuse to spend any of it! The only guy they spent a penny on was Sean Jones. Yes, Sean “freaking” Jones. So really, enough with the excuses.
Do you people really think the Glazers are going to write that many contracts next year?? Man, I doubt it. And even if we bring all our guys back (I sure hope we do), we still have over 400 available free agents to look at! If we can’t bring back some of our key guys next year, then we’ll be rebuilding again!
Most of those guys on that list we need back. Jackson and Joseph being the top ones!! We also need Smith, Cadillac, Ruud, along with many others back!!
Piscitelli and Stovall need to prove themselves this year that they deserve to be here or find somewhere else to play. Stovall has had more than enough time and hasn’t gotten it done.
Barber will likely retire after this season, as his contract will expire. If he does decide to still play, I don’t think it’s likely that they’ll bring him back unless Myron Lewis is a bust.
June 7th, 2010 at 8:20 pm
Honestly, if you don’t understand something as basic and as widely-reported as teams not extending long-term contracts to existing players, doesn’t that disqualify you from participating in an intelligent discussion about the Bucs? Look how mnay of you on this thread haven’t a clue!
June 7th, 2010 at 8:21 pm
Your welcome, lightningbuc! And now that you’ve achieved enlightenment, help explain this to you’re even slower friends.
The Glazers own a football team. They can do with it WHAT EVER they want. Fire coachs, not signing players. Firing Capt. Fear, WHAT EVER
Contrary to what some of you slower people think, they don’t owe you anything. Not explainations, not reasons, and damn sure not fianancial disclosers. Don’t care how many Buc Jerseys you bought, they owe you NADA!
Bitching about how the Glazers run the Bucs, is identical to demanding the owner and manager of your local Pizza sell the restaurant, because you think they slice the peperoni too thin!
What you can do, if you are really mad about how they do things, is not buy tickets to the game, don’t watch the team, don’t buy merchandise. That’s about it.
If you don’t have anything else to do on Sunday, well, that says more about you than them.
If that REALLY pisses you off, the solution is simple. Go become a billionaire. Then buy your own team.
Otherwise , shut up and quit yer whining and acting like you own this team!
If you are a Buc Fan, then have faith. Despite the patheic crybabies. We are on the right track!
June 7th, 2010 at 8:36 pm
June 7, 2010
Capt.Tim has definitively declared the Tampa Bay Bucs to be on the “right track” ending forever any need for differing viewpoints to be expressed.
Thank you oh great sir from the flock of the damned and less enlightened.
June 7th, 2010 at 8:45 pm
I’m curious, was Capt. Tim a fan of the Bucs during the Culverhouse era? You would think if he were he wouldn’t have the ‘the owners can do whatever they want’ mindset. But hey, nothing wrong with being a fan since 1997 though it might help to read up on what a cheap owner can do to a franchise.
June 7th, 2010 at 8:47 pm
Tom, if you were a fan during the Culverhouse era you would not draw a comparison between the Glazers and Culverhouse. There no comparison
June 7th, 2010 at 8:51 pm
JimBuc,
OK, so your premise is that the Bucs aren’t cheap right?
1. Is there a team in the league that is cheap?
A. If you said no, what might constitute a cheap team, if anything?
B. If you said yes, who are they and are you aware that whatever team you pick has spent more on players salaries than your favorite (not cheap) team during the lifetime of all the 6 year olds on the planet?
June 7th, 2010 at 8:53 pm
My statement was that there was no reasonable comparison between Culverhouse and Glazer. You made the comparison. I just pointed out that it was wrong
June 7th, 2010 at 8:54 pm
Captain Tim, you are so right! I have climbed your ivory tower and put on the rose colored glasses, and Damn – the Bucs look awesome up here!
PS – It’s hard to determine what’s worse – the Glazers’ financial situation or your spelling. Of all the posts on here, if I had to guess who the minimum wage earner was, it’d be you Oh Wise One! What is a “fianancial disclosers” anyway?
June 7th, 2010 at 8:56 pm
Glad to be of service, Eric. Anything to help. I realize some people forget that the Bucs are a PRIVATELY OWNED BUSINESS. And that Fan= customer. The NFL is business that sells a product.
If you don’t like Walmart, you don’t shop there. Asking Sam Walton to sell, cause he may not have enough money- Wow , that’s just delusions of granduer! Reading some of these post , I can’t stop laughing at some these guys thinking they can make demands. It’s halarious!!
June 7th, 2010 at 8:58 pm
Where was any reference to the Glazers in my Culverhouse post Jimbuc? Because it does not exist, try not to create points that aren’t there. I am not comparing the two nor did I.
The fact that there is a Bucs fan with Capt Tim’s point of view means he almost certainly never spent a day as a Bucs fan in the 80’s or early 90’s, if he read some history he might not feel the same way.
June 7th, 2010 at 9:00 pm
Jimbuc,
BTW since you went further and made a stated “You made the comparison.”
Would you like to FIND where I made the comparison. Look for it…
And an argument with someone who thinks an owner has carte blanche does not have a damn thing to do with the Glazers when I argue against it.
June 7th, 2010 at 9:00 pm
Come on guys , give the Glazerhouses a break!
I mean, a billion dollars isn’t even that much debt…. just ask Obama….
June 7th, 2010 at 9:05 pm
So Capt Tim, does this “privately owned business” have community support…like way of the community supported stadium that the “community” helped pay for. Doesn’t the fact that sales tax revenue paying for the place the team plays in make the community a partner to this team?
Does the “privately owned business” have any tax exemptions because they are a sports team that Wal-Mart does not have? I think so.
June 7th, 2010 at 9:07 pm
Tom:
I guess you were NOT comparing the two??????
“I’m curious, was Capt. Tim a fan of the Bucs during the Culverhouse era? You would think if he were he wouldn’t have the ‘the owners can do whatever they want’ mindset. But hey, nothing wrong with being a fan since 1997 though it might help to read up on what a cheap owner can do to a franchise
“What a cheap owner can do to a franchise” Like I said, no comparison between Culverhouse (i.e the “cheap owner”) and the Glazers
strange response
June 7th, 2010 at 9:09 pm
I am still trying to figure out how the Colts situation is the same as the Bucs situation.
June 7th, 2010 at 9:09 pm
Tom — sales tax does not make the community a partner. lol. It may mean we have weak political leaders, but the Glazers are to blame for that too? Man . . .
Curious because I do not know, what tax exemption are you referring to?
June 7th, 2010 at 9:10 pm
Eric S — read the Clayton article. Colts was just the first example. LOL
June 7th, 2010 at 9:13 pm
I was not comparing the two. How does the statement about Culverhouse and HIS recklessness relate directly to the Glazers at this point. Where did I make that jump?
“What a cheap owner can do to a franchise” – Yes, what an owner like Culverhouse can do to a franchise. Where did you hear the Glazers….was it your conscious speaking Jimbuc….and would you kindly answer the question I asked you?
Are there cheap teams in the NFL and if so who are they?
June 7th, 2010 at 9:19 pm
Tom, if you did not intend to compare the two then why would Capt. Jim need to educate himself about Culverhouse? I understand that he advocated an “owners can do what they want to” approach right now, but why would that matter unless you were comparing the two? Oh well..
I will gladly answer your question, just tell me how you define cheap? How about spending at or near the lowest in the league in payroll? How about spending below the old salary cap floor? Does that count as cheap?
June 7th, 2010 at 9:21 pm
Lightningbuc
You try typing 7 paragraphs on an I phone, when your fingertip is exactly half as wide as the screen!! ( embarassed, Capt Tim goes in search of a stylus, lest lightningbuc scores another embarrassing critique on his post, yet again)
June 7th, 2010 at 9:30 pm
Tom, if we use 2009 payroll, the Bucs were one of the cheap teams, as were the Dallas Cowboys who only spent $6 mill more (that is one good player).
http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/totalpayroll.aspx?year=2009
Tom, if we use the 2009 salary floor and say those teams that are currently spending less are “cheap,” then the Bucs and eleven other teams in the NFL are currently cheap.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/14/plenty-of-teams-would-be-well-below-the-salary-floor/
So, my question in response is two-fold. First, does Jerry Jones own Liverpool or Chelsea or some other team that caused him to spend so little on payroll in 2009? Second, are the eleven other teams that are below the 2009 floor also owned by a family with $1.6 Billion in debt? If the answer to those simple questions are “no,” then why the ridiculous ManU conspiracy stuff? Maybe the Bucs have low payroll, in part, becasue they have an awful team. I seem to remember payroll being maxed during the SB run. Maybe the Bucs are currently spending below last year’s floor –m just like eleven other teams — because they are not a large market team?
Aw never mind its defintely just ManU. Those rich broke bastards
June 7th, 2010 at 9:32 pm
The Broncos signed RFA OL Chris Kuper to a six year 28 million dollar contract.
So, its not against the law to sign a RFA to a long term deal, if the team values a particular player.
And other teams spent some money in the trade market, notably the dolphins snaring BM.
The laughing stock of the league 2009 season had a CUlverhouse ring to it, as did this cheap as offseason, hiring Rah as HC. All moves that would have made Hugh proud. I suspect we are in for more of the same in 2010.
June 7th, 2010 at 9:32 pm
Why would I ask Capt Tim to educate himself about Culverhouse? Because he feels that an owner can do anything and everything they want…that is his argument. In that case I point to Culverhouse as an example of what happens in such a case….follow?
Cheap is a definition you can set. It begs the question, do YOU feel there is a cheap NFL team out there. This a question where you set the standard and follow it, since it is your opinion.
June 7th, 2010 at 9:35 pm
Eric — John Clayton addressed your exact argument in his article, but I gues you probably don’t want to read it
June 7th, 2010 at 9:36 pm
Tom, I gave you my answer above
June 7th, 2010 at 9:42 pm
Joe, not that I am keeping score, but ther are currently 62 comments on this thread, most of which bash the Glazers and no one has even addressed your conflict of interest question. LMAO. What does that tell us about whether people are looking for the truth or just something that meshes with their view?
June 7th, 2010 at 9:51 pm
@Jimbuc
The Broncos, Dolphins, and others stepped up to the plate. The Bucs have not. I don’t need Clayton’s article to recognize what is in black and white.
The Glazers are getting blasted cause they have earned it.
June 7th, 2010 at 9:55 pm
Eric, why do I get the feeling you don’t need any article that contradicts your point of view? 🙂
June 7th, 2010 at 10:07 pm
JimBuc,
For over two years,long before this article out of England came out, I have felt the Glazers were in financial trouble. I admit – I don’t know if there troubles are a result of Madoff, bad real estate investments, or something entirely different – but I feel, and have posted on this forum before, that the Glazers are on the cheap now with the Bucs, and it is a complete 180 from their early years as owners, leading me to believe that something isn’t right. So this Green guy probably does have ulterior motives, but if the things reported in the article are indeed true, it only lends further credence to what many of us have suspected.
June 7th, 2010 at 10:10 pm
lightningbug — no offense, but not interested in conversing with you. Not worth it.
June 7th, 2010 at 10:23 pm
Don’t flatter yourself Jimmy. I wasn’t trying to converse with you – just hoping to put an end to your incessant, embarrassing bloviating. Great, you read John Clayton’s blogs and watch CNBC – so you’re an expert in both football and finance. You know more than us. Good for you. I will sleep well tonight knowing the Bucs are in good financial hands because you say so.
June 7th, 2010 at 11:40 pm
@JimBuc, so you can’t or won’t answer why the Bucs signed Williams to a 4 year contract instead of a 1 year deal like they’re doing with Penn and Ruud. I was just wondering and hoping with your vast knowledge you’d be able to explain. Instead, you just say I don’t understand a simple concept like RFA. I thought Williams was a 2010 draft pick, not a RFA.
June 8th, 2010 at 12:13 am
Its simple, since thw Tampa Bay Buccaneers are a horrible franchise, have horrible coaches and tight wad owners, they need to sieze all of the opportunities they get… because come next year, no player will want to re-sign with this poorly ran organization and no decent NFL player who is goo enough to make a difference will want to come to Tampa and play under this losing coaching staff in such disarray… thats the message.
Farm Team… play your hand so close to the vest and you end up getting beat on your own game… because it will take ABOVE market value to get these players to CHOOSE Tampa over 31 other more successful franchises.
June 8th, 2010 at 12:19 am
i don’t understand these whiny little digs, “the Bucs hired this high powered Washington D.C. spin doctor” to undertake some nefarious activities. Are you begrudging them for hiring someone experienced and knowledgeable that dealt with conflicts, scandals, bickering, policy, big egos, finances, constituents, etc… That’s as stupid as saying, “I can’t believe they brought in this highly experienced hotshot doctor from Harvard Medical School to be their team doctor” The way everyone incessantly slings mud and worse at the Glazer family I’m surprised they haven’t hired 50 press and public relations people to deal with the random haters and assclowns out there. The Glazers could donate the money for a children’s hospital or a scholarship fund or you name it and half the people would say they only did it for the tax deduction or to get their name in the paper.
Poor you who didn’t grow up in a family with lots of money where you could buy or inherit a sports franchise. Too freakin’ bad, maybe you should’ve studied harder and gone into private equity or investment banking and shorted the real estate market a few years ago. Not the Glazer family’s fault that they have a lot more money than you and they are not running the team to your satisfaction. I can assure you the Glazer family doesn’t go to bed every night thinking about you so why are you wasting valuable time bitching about them when you could spend it with your family or watching your favorite late night show on Cinemax all by yourself. Focus on what’s going on on the football field and leave the front office stuff to those who have a keycard to get into One Buccaneer Place (which isn’t you).
June 8th, 2010 at 2:48 am
Exactly Mookie. The real, sad truth at last. It isn’t hate this guys are spewing.
Its jelousy.
Posting about how the Glazers should their own team gives some of the these guys a sense of empowerment. A false sense.
June 8th, 2010 at 7:00 am
@mookie
Donate money to childrens hospitals, scholarship funds, Private equity, investment banking, shorted the real estate market,… can assue you the Glazer family doesn’t go to bed at night thinking about you…Focus on what going on on the football field and leave the front office to those who have a keycard….which isn’t you.
Now we know how those spin Doctors work. If you say it enough times the masses will believe it, right? Sounds as though you do have a keycard there, mookie!
June 8th, 2010 at 7:13 am
There will always be ignorant people like Corporal Tim who think their team that is going in the opposite direction of success is on the right track. Corporal Tim was probably saying the same thing year after year during the Culverhouse era. The Glazers make their money off of people like Timmay.
June 8th, 2010 at 7:40 am
3-13 and Raheem still has to prove himself… there isn’t ANY spin doctor alive that can paint these aweful facts rosey.
Here is the deal, when the Glazers tried to win the Super Bowl they WON the Super Bowl… but over the past couple of years, it is too painfully obvious that their behaviors have completely changed… they went from striving to be contenders to just flat out giving up. Thats the story.
The Glazers should just come right out and say that Gruden was fired because Gruden cussed us the hell out. Because waiting that late in the off-season, waiting until NO coaches were available and then going with a guy who wouldnt have even been a HC in the NCAA is absolutely absurd. Then they kept him another year on top of that. When the don’t re-sign Raheem and bring in an experienced coaching staff, that will be the first true step proving that they are serious about helping Tampa win. Signing restricted free agents is basically part of their plan that they arent executing very well… “We the Glazers want to build a championship team that competes every year… We will do this according to a methodical plan of drafting well, and giving thise players plenty of PT, choosing to re-sign our own developed players rather than venture down the dark path of Free Agency”
Time to re-sign your own… and to Really prove you want to win, GET A REAL COACH.
June 8th, 2010 at 8:30 am
Stop arguiung with JimBuc anc Capt. Tim.
Every business man worth his salt knows that going 1 billion dollars in debt is ALWAYS the best business model….
June 8th, 2010 at 9:45 am
1.5 Billion.
June 8th, 2010 at 10:15 am
Louie said:
“@JimBuc, so you can’t or won’t answer why the Bucs signed Williams to a 4 year contract instead of a 1 year deal like they’re doing with Penn and Ruud. I was just wondering and hoping with your vast knowledge you’d be able to explain. Instead, you just say I don’t understand a simple concept like RFA. I thought Williams was a 2010 draft pick, not a RFA.”
LOL. Too funny for words. Louie, can you read? I actually posted several comments that explained the difference (even though it should be obvious to most)
June 8th, 2010 at 10:15 am
I feel like I’m wasting my time. None of you haters argue worth a damn, you just whine. I expected better, you just come across sounding needy.
Plus, I spend a lot of time posting witty stuff, that remark about the pizza restaurant was funny , And I didn’t get back so much as a giggle!!
If you haters don’t step up your game, and come back with better retorts, I’m not gonna bother posting inflammatory remarks. Then you’ll be stuck with each other.
And, Wow, that won’t be as much fun
June 8th, 2010 at 10:23 am
I love how anyone that disagrees with the herd is immediately castigated as an “idiot” or “Glazer’s lapdog.” You guys are too funny. What does it say about your position if your only retort is name calling?
June 8th, 2010 at 10:56 am
The humor is the notion that somehow you supporters of 3-13 and Raheem Morris is A-OK…. that is where the real humor is.
But it is also where the real debate lies… YOU must answer to us logical fans just why you are so onboard with the aimless direction and lack of experienced leadership this franchise has put forth to paying fans.
How on earth can you claim that going 9-7 and 9-7 followed by 3-13 chaos in the coaching staff, going all in with inexperience is a recipe for success?
Many, MANY fans are rightly sceptical of Raheem “I cheated my way through English class” Morris and his scary comments…. as well as his past performance.
You koolaid drinkers haven’t and quite honestly can’t convince the skeptics otherwise… only the performance can this fall… and the fans will be right here to put you spin doctors in your place when you try to spew the 2010 excuses… and scapegoats.
June 8th, 2010 at 11:38 am
@JimBuc: I did a search in this comment section and the only reference to “idiot” is by YOU!
Oh, and I reviewed all your comments and you didn’t explain why Williams wasn’t signed to a 1 year deal (like the RFA’s). I can only assume you have no explanation.
June 8th, 2010 at 11:53 am
Mookie,
You seem to know quite a bit about late night Cinemax. I couldn’t help but notice that you and Capt Tim were the only two to post during Skinemax prime time. Did you guys run out of lotion?
June 8th, 2010 at 11:58 am
IS it not close to bed time yet kids??? i know it is getting late..mom’s got milk and cookies before you go to bed..
When will Training camp start so all the BS b!tching can come to an end???
i doubt we will ever “all” be in agreement .. just like when we did win the Super Bowl in 02… it was with Dungys team no it wasn’t Gruden added his own players…. Blah Blah Blah!!
BBC
B!tch Bellyache Complain,,
June 8th, 2010 at 1:31 pm
Rahdomdabest,
No , I don’t have to explain anything to you.
Neither do the Glazers. They own the Bucs. Pro football is product, just like fast food, autos, and lotion( that’s better, lightningBuc,at least that was funny). The lease the Stadium they play in, payed for the right to name it, and can do anything they want with it.
You don’t own the Bucs. They owe you nothing. You can either pay to watch them, or refuse to watch them. It doesn’t matter to anyone which you chose.
You can discuss players, bitch about coaches, whatever. That’s what fans( CUSTOMERS) do.
But acting like you have the right to know about their money, or any of that other nonsense, is just idiotic.
Buy tickets, go get a Bucs Jersey, buy the PRODUCT!
Or don’t, believe me, we won’t lose sleep if you don’t show up. The real fans can see what we are building, and they are patient enough to grow with the team. If you aren’t, you can hope back on board when we are winning again- no problem
June 8th, 2010 at 9:53 pm
“The real fans can see what we are building, and they are patient enough to grow with the team.”
Too bad that isn’t even remotely true.
June 9th, 2010 at 2:38 am
The key word is”real” fans. That doesn’t include you, or several other of the jelous posters. Again, we aren’t concerned that you’ve “jumped ship”. You’ll be back on the bandwagon once we are winning again, telling everyone how you’ve ALWAYS been a fan. World is full of fairweather fans(people). No matter which which side of the fence you are on, no one cares but you.
June 9th, 2010 at 9:26 am
And, just as a side note. I also believe the Glazers are pinching pennys. In this economy, you’d be an moron not to. Merchandise sales are down, home games aren’t gonna sell out. People have less money right now. ALL people.
Who knows? If every owner pulled back on the reins, meybe guys like Albert Haynesworth would only make 5 million a year, instead of 12 million.
That wouldn’t hurt my feelings at all.
June 9th, 2010 at 12:31 pm
More like the REAL STUPID fans would only buy into this non-sense that the Buccaneer’s organization has been claiming was their grand plan to winning, going deep into the playoffs.
My God, look how long it took Tampa to even make the play offs from McKay to Dungy… look at the Lions, the Bills, the other teams trying so desparately to build through the draft because they can’t sign free agents. News flash, EVERY TEAM gets to draft. EVERY TEAM is trying to build through the draft.
Yet, somehow you seem to be completely on board that Raheem Morris and Mark Domminic are on the path to the playoffs?
Many, many fans are skeptical. It’s a great thing the NFL is nothing like politics. Because in the NFL, you have to show up and play the games… and the results can hardly be argued… ESPECIALLY when 9-7 wasn’t good enough.
June 9th, 2010 at 1:47 pm
Then,rahdomdabest, you don’t go to the games. You don’t buy merchandise. You ignore the Bucs . If everyone did that, SOMETHING would change. The fans would have expressed their outrage, the message would get thru.
Unfortunately for you, most buc Fans are smart. They see what happened, see a plan is in effect to correct it, and are actually excited about the direction the team is going. There will be plenty of fans at the games. Meybe not sellout, but it’ll be fine.
Personally, I think the best way to show your jelousy, err, I mean hatred of the Bucs, is to take a vow of silence until they change their evil ways. Both verbal and written. I think that would scare’em into firing everybody and signing a whole team of free agents. They might even sell the team!! It’s worth a shot! Start now, assert yourself!
June 9th, 2010 at 4:59 pm
@ what u said “most buc Fans… see what happened, see a plan is in effect to correct it, and are actually excited about the direction the team is going. There will be plenty of fans at the games. ”
Again, you need to speak for yourself on this one… this is definitely not the case… and you believing it is only makes you a complete delusional wreck.