Are The Glazers Cheap?
June 8th, 2010
The veteran NFL writers for the Tampa Tribune, eye-RAH! Kaufman and Woody Cummings, square off on the question of the day in their latest Bucs Video Blog on TBO.com.
This edition has a simple title: “Are The Glazers Cheap?”
Joe’s not going to spoil their answers for you, especially not the part when Kaufman talks about the Glazers’ panhandling and smirks about their Harbour Island condos.
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June 8th, 2010 at 3:40 pm
They are right now
June 8th, 2010 at 3:54 pm
I dont know how many of you heard Ira Kaufman on the babe’s show to day but his comments were excellent and enlightening on two of our favorite subjects: the glazers and Rah. (Ira is usually very pro-buc)
Ira talked about how Rah’s struggles last year using the word “overmatched” to characterize him, Ira stated the obvious by calling him “inexperienced”, he stated ow it was obvious that Rah did not have the training that Tomlin has had and that the buc with the biggest room for improvement was the Rah. Ira was very nice with his criticism even saying he liked Rah but Ira’s suggestion was that Rah should not be the HC.
As for the Glazers – he largely defended them saying they are not broke b/c they havent missed a payment “yet” and that although there are many signs of a $ crunch, until they start missing payments there is no hard evidence of $ problems.
(To sum it up: we have a grossly unqualified and horrid but likeable coach and owners who seem to be broke but that cant be confirmed. stay tuned)
June 8th, 2010 at 3:57 pm
ROFLMAO — Thomas, no clear example of your bias (some would say hatred) then your summation of your own charcaterization of the Ira Kaufman interview. Check this out:
“(To sum it up: we have a grossly unqualified and horrid but likeable coach and owners who seem to be broke but that cant be confirmed. stay tuned)”
LMAO. You are one extraordinary hater. Way to be “unfair and unbalanced”
June 8th, 2010 at 4:36 pm
Oh, yea, the commissioner is going to throw the Glazers under the bus — NOT. That part of EYE-Rah’s argument is so bogus.
All I know is that since 2004, the Glazers haven’t spent the necessary money on the team to make them “lasting competitors”. I actually hope the Glazers don’t have money problems because that would mean they are capable of spending the necessary money at any time. I’m waiting!
June 8th, 2010 at 6:00 pm
Louie, I am impressed by your outlook. There are others here that would seem to prefer to be “right” about the Glazers even if that meant the Bucs fail
June 8th, 2010 at 6:02 pm
Jimbuc:
criticism from you equates to praise from any other reasonable and credible source.
Lets be honest about you Jimbuc. You are a sheep, an organizational shill, you wont entertain the obvious even when it is staring you straight in the face. You have an agenda, which at times is okay but when the facts are completely inconsistent with your agenda you look ridiculuous. You can attack those who have real problems with the state of this organization, its management and leadership but that does not change the undeniable.
THIS ORGANIZATION HAS GONE FROM COMPETITIVE TO A LAUGHINGSTOCK, FROM A TOP 10 ORG TO BETWEEN 30-32 IN THE LEAGUE, FROM A SUPER BOWL WINNING HC TO WELL YOU KNOW. THESE CHANGES HAVE NOT BEEN MADE FOR THE PURPOSE OF WINNING, THEY HAVE BEEN MADE FOR OTHER REASONS WHICH ARE SLOWLY BECOMING KNOWN.
So jimbuc every ridiculuous organizational a–kiss you post on this blog should be taken for what it is – just that!
June 8th, 2010 at 7:37 pm
Do sharks swim in the ocean? Can Mike Tyson bite an ear? Does a bear poop in the woods? Could Babe Ruth hit a baseball? Is Boy George Gay?
Are the 3 Glazer Boys Cheap? Is Raheem the Dream a Head Coach?
There is only one “no” answer in the questions posed above. Can JimBuc guess the right One? Oops, that’s 2 No answers.
June 8th, 2010 at 7:45 pm
@tampa2, LOL!
June 8th, 2010 at 8:24 pm
They aren’t cheap.
You can’t say someone is cheap when they are a billion dollars in debt . You don’t go that far in debt if you are scared to spend money.
The problem isn’t because they are cheap , the problem is they are BROKE.
June 8th, 2010 at 8:27 pm
Rich people go cheap to keep from going broke Radio!
June 8th, 2010 at 9:12 pm
Broke
cheap
stupid
take your pick
it all ends with sucking on Sundays…………..
June 8th, 2010 at 9:14 pm
Thomas — think about this. I was not even commenting about the Bucs. I was commenting about YOU and how laughably one sided all of your commentary is. You literally rush to this website to spew your negative views. Look on the other article about Williams. You could not stand any good reviews so you quickly rushed in to dampen the story as “hype.” Here, your comments are ven funnier because you first characterize Kaufman’s comments (in an apparent attempt to be “fair”) but then undo what ever effort you made by giving that hillarious summary at the end. LMAO. You cannot help yourself as witnessed by the fact that you don’t even defend yourself, instead you attack me. LMAO. You are so funny
Even when I comment on what I perceive to be a rush to judgment on the Glazers, I still acknowledge that right now they are being cheap and ManU is part of the reason. Thomas, nothing in the world is as grotesquely one-sided as the imaginary world you live in.
Yours truly,
The Shill (LMAO)
June 8th, 2010 at 9:23 pm
Jimbuc wins the award for the frequency of using LMAO in his blogs. 1/2 dozen times on this article alone. what are you 12? that would explain your naivete.
Kids are welcome here, but there is a website called pewter something or other that is probably better suited to young people who converse with LMAO’s and 🙂 and are incapable of accepting anything other than the Glazer-b.s. or ari fleischer b.s. that is being fed to us these days.
June 8th, 2010 at 9:23 pm
Thomas SCREAMED:
“THESE CHANGES HAVE NOT BEEN MADE FOR THE PURPOSE OF WINNING, THEY HAVE BEEN MADE FOR OTHER REASONS WHICH ARE SLOWLY BECOMING KNOWN.”
If you can come in off the lunatic fringe long enough to respond, what are the “other reasons which are slowly becoming known?”
June 8th, 2010 at 9:25 pm
Thomas, keep focusing on me and not responding. It makes me laugh. LMAO
June 8th, 2010 at 9:32 pm
The other factors junior are:
1) the old man is not participating anymore due to his health;
2) the family debt once thought to be 800mil is actually 1.6bil;
3) revenues have been disclosed publicly but expenses for all companies have not been disclosed publicly;
4) Manu sold off its best and most expensive player Ronaldo recently and at the same time the Bucs are not resigning their RFAs or acquiring other non-draft talent for a talent-poor roster;
5) Doug Williams departure words suggested some disagreement with the way the team is being run – many speculated that he disagreed with not offering AB;
6) the kneejerk half-response from Grilla to the BBC article provided no information of value and seemed very defensive.
7) Ira said today “this story isnt going away.”
Just for starters.
June 8th, 2010 at 9:42 pm
Thanks Thomas. LOL.
June 9th, 2010 at 12:19 am
To all haters, next time you go to a restaurant why don’t you insist on a balance sheet and an income statement when you sit down instead of a menu because apparently the private finances of business owners are more important to you than the product they are selling. If a restaurant has terrible food do you start investigating if the owner could have afforded to have hired a better chef or bought better ingredients? If you’re a USDA Grade A Assclown you probably do but for the rest of us with careers and families and hobbies we limit the time invested in such trivial matters. You don’t the food at the restaurant, you go somewhere else to eat, you don’t obsess over what coulda woulda shoulda done differently. Maybe start a collection and see if you can raise enough money to buy the team yourself and then you can make big boy decisions involving your own money. So easy for you to tell other people how to spend their money. You’re angry because the bond interest rate or the debt to equity ratio of the Glazer family isn’t to your liking? Who are you? Is your name Moody or Dun or Bradstreet or Fitch? If so, my apologies. By the way, this may be a shock to you but the Glazers probably bought the team to make a profit (heaven forbid!). My employer let go of good people and reduced payroll so they could continue to make a profit too. If you owned a business would you forego making a profit just to make your customers happy and ignore the financials? If you checked the box marked “yes” next to the question, “are you a meathead?” then you probably would.
June 9th, 2010 at 4:24 am
It will be interesting to see what happens next year. The argument being made for not spending money in free agency is that there hasnt been anyone worth spending it on.
Well next year there will be a massive number of free agents. The normal amount, plus most of the RFAs this year. There will be tons of big names and good talent out there.
The Bucs will also have 17 UFAs next year. We can’t replace them all with the draft! We only got 8 picks. So we are going to have to dip into free agency next year.
It will be interesting to see what kind of contracts the Glazers offer and what kind of players they go after. We will know the truth next year!
June 9th, 2010 at 6:41 am
Jerry — Exactly!
June 9th, 2010 at 6:48 am
I think the Bucs are great!
June 9th, 2010 at 7:21 am
I liked Ira gushing over their Condo’s to prove no money problems. but read this excerp from another source;
“The Glazers have never denied that they took on debt when they bought the world’s premier soccer franchise. What Green’s research seems to reveal is the debt is larger than anyone had imagined. That instead of owing $1.1 billion, the figure is closer to $1.6 billion.
Green, a consultant for the anti-Glazer group Manchester United Supporters Trust, went through public records and discovered the Glazers used their real estate holdings to borrow money around the same time they were purchasing the soccer team.
According to Green, the Glazers have already walked away from four bankrupt shopping centers and currently owe more than the rest of their dozens of shopping malls are worth. Green’s work was reviewed and, seemingly, affirmed by the BBC in England.
His research can be found at andersred.blogspot.com.
Asked if they wanted to talk about the BBC report, the Glazers instead released a statement through a team spokesman. Four paragraphs. Six sentences. Three commas. And too many lingering questions to count.
The statement did not dispute Green’s numbers. And it seemed to acknowledge the loans secured against the shopping centers. It stated Glazer companies “generate revenues in excess of $800 million each year” but did not address expenses or interest payments.
“It was a very interesting way of putting it. Based on my numbers the ($800 million) looks quite right. It’s probably true,” Green said. “But it’s like me buying a bunch of big TVs, and then selling them for less than I paid. I’m going to have a lot of revenues, but I’m still losing money. I’m not sure that proves anything.”
June 9th, 2010 at 8:28 am
Tampa2 = true believer. Andry Green is actually Madoff’s cousin, right?
June 9th, 2010 at 9:10 am
Thomas, stop crying you little girl! Save your tears for next offseason when everything will be right for the Bucs to go and spend money to make this team better like they have always said they wanted to. If it doesn’t happen then, it will be blatantly obvious to everyone that they are not after building a lasting contender and then every fan will be whining with you.
June 9th, 2010 at 9:11 am
After a good night’s sleep we’re still mining over the family’s private books and records. Why don’t we start looking at the spending habits and bank accounts of season ticket holders. If they aren’t fiscally responsible, they might not be able to afford tickets and we won’t sell out home games and there might be a blackout which would be bad news for people who want to watch them on TV. Please mail your 2009 tax return and a recent credit report along with your season tickets to One Buccaneer Place. Thank you.
June 9th, 2010 at 11:02 am
Football is now being compared to food ingesting, brilliant I say, brilliant!?
June 9th, 2010 at 11:03 am
Now where did I put that sarcasm rag-wipe?
June 9th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
why can’t football be compared to any other business. Is there some mystical component to football that applies a different set of rules when it comes to capitalism and financial matters? Maybe because you’re so emotionally invested in the Bucs that you want them to run their team in a way that makes you happy even at their own financial expense. I feel your pain. I’m a huge sushi fan and travel all over the country looking for the best fresh fish out there. If I find a place that’s too expensive or doesn’t give me big pieces of yellowtail or salmon I am tempted to ask for the owner and gripe about how much happier he could have made me if he had spent more money on my meal without charging me anymore for it.
Why do you need to know why ownership is or isn’t spending money… too cheap, in financial distress, waiting for the CBA to get resolved, some or all of the above. At the end of the day, the team is what it is – good or bad. It’s not their job to spend “whatever it takes” to buy a championship which even if you spend the money it’s not guaranteed.
Some of you are the same clowns that go out and clobber the Yankees for “buying a championship” and begruding them for spending money on high priced free agents and “stealing them” from smaller market teams. How about relaxing and let training camp play out before you start screaming that the team’s finances aren’t to your satisfaction. Maybe you can start a collection and call one of the big accounting firms to do an audit on your behalf.
June 9th, 2010 at 1:10 pm
“lasting contender”
now the Glazers have even got the sheep fans repeating their silly line…………………………………
Pathetic.
June 9th, 2010 at 1:38 pm
Im sorry, but a consumption product versus an entertainment product? Can you say Streeeetch! Maybe books, movies, or some other form of entertainment product would be better? Hey just my opinion though. Move along, nothing to see here, folks.
BTW Im not one of those ones concerned about the finances of the Bucs organization. I could care less and dont think they are cheap, just not football smart with thier money. The end product is what I care about not how they financially got it there. Might not agree with some of their decisions or moves, but could care less about the financial end. Maybe I could feel a little different about said decisions /moves if they were due to thier finances and/or issues.
June 9th, 2010 at 2:30 pm
I’d like to take a step back and apologize for any name calling in my posts. It’s not appropriate just because we have a difference of opinion. If we were all tailgating before the game I’m sure we’d all be sharing a beer, having fun, wearing our team gear. Bottom line is we all want to win but have differences of opinion on how we’ll get there (or not get there) and if and when we don’t get there (again) what and who is to blame. This is not unlike fantasy football – it’s an interesting parlor game/virtual spectator sport but doesn’t change what happens on any given sunday.
Again, I am contrite and hope we can honor rodney king by all of us just getting along. That being said, I still like Joe, JimBuc, and Capt. Tim’s posts the best.
June 9th, 2010 at 2:33 pm
Mookie:
Aw, com’ on man, no fun in being civil! 🙂
June 9th, 2010 at 3:07 pm
To each their own and oh yeah, GO BUCS!!!
June 9th, 2010 at 11:13 pm
Great Post Mookie !!!!!!!!!
You mentioned Rodney King ? Someone told me the Glazers are so financially challenged, they couldn’t afford to hire a Public Defender for Rodney King. But that source was a Royal Marine, and you know those Brits tendency to spout nonsense after some warm beer and pudding ?