Vacation Man May Need A Vacation
February 25th, 2010.jpg "Based on his recent writings concerning the Bucs, Joe believes Vacation Man may need some downtime with a Bucs cheerleader. Joe could use such distraction as well.")
Based on his recent writings concerning the Bucs, Joe believes Vacation Man may need some downtime with a Bucs cheerleader. Joe could use such a break as well.
Vacation Man seems to be in an angry mood.
Having read and heard many rumors about the Bucs and the draft, specifically the rumor that popped up last weekend that the Bucs and Rams would flip first round draft positions, Vacation Man lashed out.
He’s claiming the Bucs would be wasting time, energy, draft picks and money in trading with the Rams.
Vacation Man first, smartly, points out it’s too early for the Rams to peddle their pick. Then, Vacation Man jumps off the deep end.
Second, Bucs fans are the first to accuse their owners of being cheap. Do you really think the Bucs want to pay a few million more in salary by moving from No. 3 to No. 1?
Third, and this might be the most important detail of all, the numbers don’t add up. If you take a look at the trade value chart, the Bucs basically would have to give up the No. 3 overall pick and their two second-round picks to have the ammunition to do a deal. That’s three players who could be potential starters. The Bucs are quite proud of the fact they hold 10 picks, including five in the top 99, in this year’s draft. They’re not looking to subtract from that number.
First, Joe has no idea what point Vacation Man is trying to make in the first paragraph Joe cited in the excerpt. So the Bucs will prove that they are “cheap” by trading up? Huh?
Vacation Man then uses some jabberwocky concoction likely devised by a twisted spreadsheet warrior, perhaps stuck in a soulless cubicle located at the Red Square in Bristol, Conn., that suggests the Bucs would have to give up three picks to move up, including both second round picks and their third round pick.
What moron this side of Mike Ditka really thinks it would take that sum of a ransom to move up two slots?
Look, when the Bucs moved up two slots in the first round last year to get Josh Freeman and it only cost them one sixth round pick for crying out loud!
But, yes, Joe did snicker when he heard part of the proposed deal the Bucs would send to the Rams was career backup quarterback Josh Johnson. What, the Rams were going to use him as a wide receiver?
February 25th, 2010 at 2:13 pm
“What moron this side of Mike Ditka really thinks it would take that sum of a ransom to move up two slots?” That’s what the Lions demanded to get Calvin Johnson.
And yes, it only took a 3rd for Freeman, but that’s because it was picks 17th and 19th, not 1st and 3rd. Stupid, but true.
February 25th, 2010 at 2:19 pm
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2410670
February 25th, 2010 at 2:20 pm
Matt, Joe, I think it was the 5th round pick that the Bucs traded to Browns. Wasn’t Miller selected in 3rd and Moore selected in the 4th? Or did we have another 3rd round pick that was traded.
February 25th, 2010 at 2:24 pm
Actually, it was only a 6th.
February 25th, 2010 at 2:26 pm
Let’s remember, the Rams would like to the the most expensive pick, number 1 overall, into 2 lower picks that save a small sum of money and give them two players. People, like Vacation Man, should not assume everyone is desperate to move up and must pay a huge ransom.
February 25th, 2010 at 2:45 pm
I hate defending anyone in the journalism field, but I need to correct Joe on a few points:
– On the idea on the Bucs trading and being cheap, Pat is trying to point out Bucs that many Bucs fans think the owners are cheap and many Bucs fans think the team might actually trade up to number one overall, there’s bound to be some overlap in those two groups. However, those two trains of thought contradict one another, since trading up would mean the Bucs would have to spend more on the 1st round pick.
– As far as the number of picks needed to get up to number one, if you look at the NFL Draft Trade value chart, the 1st overall pick is worth 3000, the 3rd is with 2200, a difference of 800 points. The 35th pick is worth 550 points and the 42 worth 480 points, which more than makes up the 800 point difference, that’s where Pat’s getting his estimates from. Don’t get me wrong, the whole Trade Value chart is out of whack, but there is some basis for his thought process. You mention that Pat said our 3rd round pick as well, but I don’t see that in what you quoted, just mention of the “No. 3” pick, which is referecing our 1st round, 3rd overall, pick.
– Pat says 3 potential starters for one player, which if we traded our 1st round and 2nd round picks, that would be an accurate statement. We should hopefully get 3 starters (not necessarily next year, but down the road) from those 3 picks.
– Finally, and a small point, the Bucs moved up two spots last year using their 6th round pick, not 3rd round. Admittedly this adds more weight to your point, but keep in mind moving from 19 to 17 should be a lot “cheaper” than 3 to 1.
Joe, even thought I don’t always agree with your points, you usually present them in a well thought out manner, however in this case you have inconsistencies, even within the post. A rare miss on your part.
February 25th, 2010 at 2:48 pm
The problem with that stupid draft chart is that times change. More teams than not would not want to have to pay what the #1 draft pick entails. I am sorry, but there is no chance in hell that the Rams would get that bounty from the Bucs or any team in that position. The Rams would do a victory dance if they could get 2 very high 2nd round picks in a very good draft just to move down 2 measly spots. There has to be a new draft chart because that one isn’t valid anymore. You have to remember the draft chart was created 20 years ago for crying out loud. Hmmm. What has happened since then?? Unrestricted free agency and a salary cap were two big things. I could possibly see the Bucs doing it if they were targeting a QB. But they aren’t, so they don’t want to shell out all the cash for a DT.
Pat seems to be saying that the Glazers are indeed cheap with the first paragraph. He seems to be implying that the Glazers would not want to pay the extra few million. I really don’t get why Pat so rigorously defends the Glazers. It really does seem personal for him.
February 25th, 2010 at 2:50 pm
irisht53:
First, thanks for commenting and thanks for reading.
On draft choice traded for Freeman, Joe pulled up a BSPN story on the trade which stated the (wrong) draft pick traded. If Joe would have taken a moment to think, rather than rush to post, he would have realized a third round pick was used to select Roy Miller.
Joe should have known better than to use a BSPN story as gospel!
Yes, a big whiff there. Joe apologizes.
February 25th, 2010 at 2:52 pm
VM definitely needs a vacation or to get laid. The guy is PMS’ing.
February 25th, 2010 at 3:03 pm
Joe, what happens if the time expires during the Bucs pick? The next team is on the clock and the Bucs can pick whenever?
Say the Bucs let time expire, Redskins are on the clock and make their selection, then the Bucs make their selection – would that make the Bucs selection the #4 pick and get #4 money?
Does anyone know?
February 25th, 2010 at 3:04 pm
bucfanjeff:
That happened to Minnesota a few years ago.
If time runs out, the next team picks and the next team picks and the next team picks and so on until the Bucs representative gets off his ass and hands a card to NFL
wardencommissioner Roger Goodell.February 25th, 2010 at 3:11 pm
Joe, did the Vikings GM get fired after that silliness or was it a planned move just to save some money?
February 25th, 2010 at 3:23 pm
But would the pick still count as the #3 pick even though it’s much later?
Just wondering if the Bucs could self-move down to save money if they didn’t have a trade down partner.
February 25th, 2010 at 3:25 pm
Jonny:
It was nothing more than a brainfart, though Joe remembers sweaty-ass Chris Berman reacted as if some third world slob tried to detonate his underwear.
February 25th, 2010 at 3:26 pm
bucfanjeff:
The pick counted wherever it was made.
If the Bucs tried a stunt like that, Goodell just might make the pick for the Bucs. That would be beyond a low-rent move.
February 25th, 2010 at 3:31 pm
I completely agree it would be a classless, budget, bullsh!t move…I was just wondering if it were possible. Apparently so. Thanks Joe.
February 25th, 2010 at 4:22 pm
You do realize bucfanjeff that if the Bucs did that, the agent would still ask for #3 money. There is no way the Bucs would be left off the hook for that. And Goodell would come down very hard on them. I seem to recall people talking about this in previous years. I don’t think dropping from 3 to 4 would make that much of a difference in pay anyway.