Mocking: Marcus Mariota To The Bucs
February 5th, 2015
Mock drafts annoy Joe only a little bit less than warm beer, overcooked fish and the Bucs calling timeout in Detroit before their first snap of the third quarter.
But some mock drafts are worthwhile.
Joe’s always eager to listen to the thoughts of those he respects, such as Pat Kirwan of CBS Sports, the former linebackers coach and personnel executive with the Jets, a former Bucs scout, and a brilliant voice on SiriusXM NFL Radio.
Even if it’s way to early for a mock draft, as it is now, Kirwan penned a first-round mock draft this week for CBSSports.com and Joe was reading.
Here’s Kirwan’s top-5 breakdown:
1. Tampa Bay Buccaneers — Marcus Mariota, QB, Oregon: Right now it appears Jameis Winston is the top pick for many draft followers, but the heavy scrutiny by the coaches and GMs is yet to come.
2. Tennessee Titans — Jameis Winston, QB, Florida State: I don’t think Tennessee will stay in this spot but someone desperate for a QB will come up to No. 2 and it is even more likely a trade partner is waiting if Mariota is available.
3. Jacksonville Jaguars — Leonard Williams, DT, Southern California: Williams is a rare athlete for his size and Gus Bradley’s defense needs a dynamic player up front.
4. Oakland Raiders — Amari Cooper, WR, Alabama: The Raiders could go in a number of directions and if for some reason one of the top two quarterbacks are still on the board they should move down and get more picks. Derek Carr needs receivers and Cooper is a solid selection.
5. Washington Redskins — Randy Gregory, DE, Nebraska: If the Redskins re-sign Brian Orakpo then this pick changes to an offensive tackle, but Gregory is too good to pass up at this spot. He fits in any scheme and would be excellent opposite Ryan Kerrigan.
Joe reads this and thinks it sure would be a coup if the Bucs could somehow find a way to trade down with the Titans, or whoever else has the No. 2 pick, and still draft the quarterback of their dreams. That would be a dream scenario.
February 5th, 2015 at 12:12 pm
I honestly believe the “heavy scrutiny” will be beneficial, not detrimental, to Jameis
February 5th, 2015 at 12:15 pm
Joe, you’re right about a dream scenario, however that means you’re also leaving to chance the possibility you don’t get your guy when you move out of #1. If the Bucs have one of the two QBs clearly over the other on the board, they need to not mess around and get their guy #1 overall.
Also, Pat Kirwan, who I also love listening to, is a self-admitted Mock Draft hater; he does them because he’s paid to do them. More often than not, he makes his selection based on what he would do if on that team, not what he thinks the team would do. Also, he’ll change up his picks from Mock Draft to Mock Draft (they do a weekly one on MTC, usually starting mid-March), just to change things up.
My point is, his Mock Draft’s should not be considered as any great insight as to what a team will do with that pick. I’d take Charlie Campbell’s view of what he thinks the Bucs will do with the #1 pick over Kirwan’s.
February 5th, 2015 at 12:17 pm
Even though I would much rather see Mariota in Red and Pewter than I would Winston, it is way too early for mock drafts yet. We still have free agency and the combine and pro days to go yet.
However, if you read what Kirwin says in his picks analysis for picks 1 and 2, he seems to think that Mariota is drawing more interest than Winston
February 5th, 2015 at 12:18 pm
Shameis Loseton will fall to the Browns and take Johnny’s roster spot! Anyone but crab legs!
February 5th, 2015 at 12:18 pm
@ Joe
I suggested a trade down with the Titans on an earlier post….so that we might get Winston & picks…….you stated “why would we be that stupid”
February 5th, 2015 at 12:20 pm
Take the best player regardless of position, the winning draft formula in the NFL
February 5th, 2015 at 12:21 pm
OBW, I would say Winston is the QB of Joe’s dreams…..not sure what Lovie dreams about other than a league where the games are decided by 14-10 scores…
February 5th, 2015 at 12:25 pm
Anyone…..
How do I find my previous posts on JBF?
February 5th, 2015 at 12:39 pm
Already this morning I’ve seen 2 mock drafts for 2016, lol
February 5th, 2015 at 12:42 pm
@ Tom
Exactly, especially with the #1 pick in the draft. And the #1 player on most draft expert’s and draft guru’s board is Leonard Williams
February 5th, 2015 at 12:43 pm
What a number of us have said is exactly what the “experts” are saying….it will come down to the result of an exhausting investigation. more thorough than they would get from Sam Spade (Humphrey Bogart).
February 5th, 2015 at 12:55 pm
I agree on the trade down to #2. I’d be fine with either QB if we could get that QB plus a nice pick.
February 5th, 2015 at 12:56 pm
Even though I agree he’s the best player in the draft, Leonard Williams is wasted in a 4-3. Randy Gregory is good talent and fit, but he’s not skip-the-qb good.
This is the year for a QB.
February 5th, 2015 at 12:58 pm
Rather have Williams, Scherff, or Peat All day long and twice on Sundays.
February 5th, 2015 at 12:59 pm
CreamsicleBananaHammock Says:
February 5th, 2015 at 12:12 pm
“I honestly believe the “heavy scrutiny” will be beneficial, not detrimental, to Jameis.”
I concur and it might shut some people up along the way.
February 5th, 2015 at 1:13 pm
here it is boys!
With the first pick in the 2015 NFL draft Tampa Bay Buccaneers select:
Jamies Winston QB Florida State University
SCARED MONEY DONT MAKE MONEY!!!!
AND THATS THE BOTTOM LINE CUZ WS99 SAID SO!
That is all, you may return to your debate now.
February 5th, 2015 at 1:14 pm
The wait is over.
February 5th, 2015 at 1:26 pm
Todd McShay disagrees with Pat Kirwin! Time for a cage match to settle this once and for all.
February 5th, 2015 at 1:30 pm
@ Joe are you familiar with Greg Gabriel who worked with Lovie in Chicago for 6 of Lovies 9 years as director of college scouting and also spent six years on the NFL College Advisory Committee. The purpose of the committee is to advise college underclassman on their potential NFL ability and draft (for anyone wondering what that title is all about). Anyhow I reached out to him and asked him if based on his time working with Lovie if Lovie would draft Winston after going through the investigative process based on whatever is already out there and he gave me a no way. You heard anything about this guy in your circles?
February 5th, 2015 at 1:30 pm
JSmalls…actually McShay just moved up Winston over Mariota and has the Bucs taking Winston. It’s like a see saw.
All of this is silly with mock drafts this early, so I agree with Joe on that.
From Bucs Nation :
“Meanwhile, McShay has Mariota dropping all the way to the sixth spot in the draft. As the draft process continues, this is something we keep seeing: Winston coming out on top in most analysts’ minds, while Mariota drops. Part of this is a refusal or inability to say much about how his off-field issues will impact Winston’s draft prospects among most draftniks, and another part of it is concerns with Mariota’s NFL transition.”
February 5th, 2015 at 1:35 pm
There is no way the Bucs will take Winston.
February 5th, 2015 at 1:36 pm
I can’t speak for Joe, but I still think that’s stupid.
LOL. good luck friend. the closest thing i’ve been able to do is do a google search for “Joe Bucs fan (insert username here)”
I would love if Joe had a user log-in feature on his site. That would make it SO much easier to track your posts. I could probalby help him develop it, too… but for some reason, Joe has yet to respond to any of my posts….I guess i’m not vulgar enough.
February 5th, 2015 at 1:41 pm
The only thing worse than the dead animal glued to Todd McShay’s skull is his thinking he knows anything about football!
NOT ONE (zero) of the players on both teams in the Super Bowl were 4 star or 5 star recruits out of high school. Most were 2 star or below. Hence my point, the only thing that Lovie Smith is less talented at than coaching football is evaluating talent…well and probably clock management…and drawing up game plans to exploit the strengths/weakness of the opposing team each week.
The real dream of Team Glazer is to wake up and find they had not hired Lovie Smith as their head coach…because no matter who they pick at QB, he has no ability to coach or develop that pick!
Greg Schiano
February 5th, 2015 at 1:43 pm
Everyone that doesn’t want Winston just bury your head in the sand and don’t read this….
“As the draft process continues, this is something WE keep seeing: Winston coming out on top in most analysts’ minds, while Mariota drops.” –Bucs Nation
February 5th, 2015 at 1:46 pm
87ForJameisNOMariota Says:
February 5th, 2015 at 1:14 pm
The wait is over.
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Inquiring minds wanted to know, not really. (Shoulder shrug)
February 5th, 2015 at 1:46 pm
@TBBF,
To find previous articles just scroll down to the bottom of Joe’s home page and hit”older entries.”
Hope that helps you find what you are looking for.
February 5th, 2015 at 1:48 pm
Schiano….here’s the problem with all that. Bucs Nation was only using McShay as an example…. as they said “MOST” analysts.
In 2 months from now if “MOST” analysts are still saying the same thing and picking Winston to the Bucs it’s going to have to set in amongst Buc fans whether they like it or not.
Mock drafts are crap, but most of them don’t get the first pick in the draft wrong. Check on those mockers in 2 months, and THAT will give us all a better idea of how things are going to go.
February 5th, 2015 at 1:48 pm
The only mocker that is worth paying attention to is Mike Mayock. His accuracy rate is multiple times that of others.
February 5th, 2015 at 1:51 pm
Mayock said JaMarcus was the best prospect he’s ever seen (at the time of course). These guys are all wrong frequently. None of them should be viewed as experts, they have a job, to feed the seemingly insatiable need for draft info fans have. Their job is not to be right.
February 5th, 2015 at 1:54 pm
Not sure what you all are looking at. I google “2015 NFL Mock Draft” and I go straight down the lists, looking at every mock. Most of the ones I’ve seen have Winston at #1.
February 5th, 2015 at 1:56 pm
In 2 months if 85% of mock drafters are saying the Bucs are taking Winston you can all but bank on it at that point.
Could he be the next Jamarcus? Sure, but that has nothing to do with any of the mock drafts.
February 5th, 2015 at 1:57 pm
@joe The Buccaneers website has compiled and posted the mock drafts from around. 90% are winston and they even posted the video of Daniel Jeremiah praising Winston and pointing out flaws in Mariota.
February 5th, 2015 at 2:00 pm
@ Dave Pear
Found “older entries” but it would take forever for me to find a previous post and I don’t remember the article….I was looking for a way to look up all the posts under my moniker.
The reason….is that I suggested this trade down earlier & Joe commented that it would be stupid…..so, it is proof that Joe has changed his mind…..but that’s no big deal…..
February 5th, 2015 at 2:02 pm
Don’t forget TBBF, Their are more than 1 joe.
February 5th, 2015 at 2:02 pm
87ForJameisNOMariota Says:
In 2 months if 85% of mock drafters are saying the Bucs are taking Winston you can all but bank on it at that point.
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How so? Crystal ball? Or your unbiased opinion?
February 5th, 2015 at 2:04 pm
TBBF, No matter, it’s all been said and done.
February 5th, 2015 at 2:05 pm
The Glazers hired Schiano to “clean out” all of the bad character guys and guys with character issues out of the locker room and hired a high character coach in Lovie to continue to do the same.
That being said, do you really think that they would use the #1 draft pick on the same kind of a player that they have been trying for 3 years to eliminate? That would make them look very hypocritical
February 5th, 2015 at 2:16 pm
biff …it would be the consensus and usual when MOST analysts are saying the same thing about the #1 pick it DOES break that way, like it or not. Or just deny it in disbelief. I don’t need anyone to believe me….they’ve seen past mock drafts of number picks and it does usual break that way when 20-25 mocks are all saying the same thing about the #1 pick.
There’s no bias in me. I’ll take whoever they select and be happy with it.
The same goes for Williams or Mariota. If most mockers are saying so in 2 months you can bank on that being the pick. That usually the way it goes.
February 5th, 2015 at 2:19 pm
Because believe it or not they have more inside info than you, I and anyone that comments on this site.
February 5th, 2015 at 2:21 pm
Agree with this article. Take the best QB in Mariota.
February 5th, 2015 at 2:23 pm
Mr. Patrick….you mean to tell me that the Glazers don’t make bad moves or decisions….
This can’t be….
February 5th, 2015 at 2:23 pm
Early mocks really mean nothing as too many things can change very quickly depending on free agency, the combine, pro days and personal visits. Just ask Teddy Bridgewater.
However, I’m very happy to see all of these early mocks showing the Bucs taking Winston as it is driving up the price of that #1 pick
February 5th, 2015 at 2:24 pm
Now that the #TheCreepyCrab is sliding in the mock drafts, we can realistically discuss the Bucs options.
February 5th, 2015 at 2:24 pm
Skyline Crew Says:
February 5th, 2015 at 2:21 pm
“Agree with this article. Take the best QB in Mariota.”
Don’t just agree with the article. Agree with the one that did the mock, then check back with him in 2 months….and see who he’s picking then.
February 5th, 2015 at 2:26 pm
@ 87 So you are finally admitting that the Bucs taking Winston would be a mistake?
This can’t be…
February 5th, 2015 at 2:26 pm
Then of course if he switched back to Winston and gives valid reasons why he’d be called an idiot, but not now. Now he knows what he’s talking about.
February 5th, 2015 at 2:27 pm
Mr. Patrick… no I’m admitting that you put too much faith in the Glazers.
February 5th, 2015 at 2:28 pm
CreamsicleBananaHammock, that’s kinda like sayibg that wearing a CreamsicleBananaHammock to the interview would be beneficial to Jameis. Mariota will be the pick, guys. Get over it already.
February 5th, 2015 at 2:28 pm
“Greg Schiano Says:
February 5th, 2015 at 1:41 pm
NOT ONE (zero) of the players on both teams in the Super Bowl were 4 star or 5 star recruits out of high school.”
Do you just spout of whatever comes to mind with no thought of fact checking? I posted this with links to Rivals, but, it’s awaiting moderation
Marshawn Lynch 4 stars
Zach Miller 4 stars
Earl Thomas 4 stars
Kevin Norwood 4 stars
BJ Daniels 4 stars
I just randomly looked at Seattle’s roster, not even the whole thing. Didn’t even check the Pats. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
February 5th, 2015 at 2:31 pm
McShay pick Mariota over Winston a month ago and everyone that didn’t want Winston was happy and agreed with him….now he’s an idiot because he changed his mind back to Winston to the Bucs.
That’s just how it goes. 85% of draft analysts could all be saying the same thing and people are so dug in they refuse to see or believe what they are saying. Hell I think it’s so bad that 100% of them could be saying and some of you still would dig in.
February 5th, 2015 at 2:33 pm
ODB says :
“Do you just spout of whatever comes to mind with no thought of fact checking?”
I can answer that for Greg Schiano. Yes, yes he does ALL the time. He’s worse than the real Schiano.
February 5th, 2015 at 2:35 pm
The Glazers have far too much dignity, integrity and respect for their franchise than to have somebody like Jameis Winston be the face of it.
February 5th, 2015 at 2:41 pm
Barry Says:
February 5th, 2015 at 2:24 pm
“Now that the #TheCreepyCrab is sliding in the mock drafts, we can realistically discuss the Bucs options.”
Where is this at?
From Bucs Nation :
“Meanwhile, McShay has Mariota dropping all the way to the sixth spot in the draft. As the draft process continues, this is something WE keep seeing: Winston coming out on top in MOST analysts’ minds, while Mariota drops. Part of this is a refusal or inability to say much about how his off-field issues will impact Winston’s draft prospects among most draftniks, and another part of it is concerns with Mariota’s NFL transition.”
February 5th, 2015 at 2:44 pm
There are more people on this site that just make stuff up in their heads without checking around first than anyone else.
Bucs Nation says : “this is something WE keep seeing: Winston coming out on top in MOST analysts’ minds, while Mariota drops.”
That was 3 hours ago. Of course that escapes people such as Barry.
ODB you’re right, why even bother anymore. These people are morons.
February 5th, 2015 at 2:44 pm
@87
“I can answer that for Greg Schiano. Yes, yes he does ALL the time. He’s worse than the real Schiano.”
The real Schiano put TOO much thought into things(room temps), and they still went wrong. This ignoramus doesn’t think at all. And he’s one of the bigger Jameis haters on board. That’s what tells me he does no research on that topic either. What kind of Neanderthal just says stuff that can be so easily debunked? I guess this one….
February 5th, 2015 at 2:50 pm
For the record Mr Patrick and gatorbuc…I don’t lump you into the group of morons.
February 5th, 2015 at 2:51 pm
Agree 100 percent MR. Patrick
February 5th, 2015 at 2:51 pm
Once again I’m a Buc fan first, a Nole second, and a Winston fan 3rd.
There is no bias in me.
February 5th, 2015 at 2:52 pm
Well…it appears the QB selection has just been settled. We are picking Jameis.
Former #Bucs GM @MarkdominikESPN says he would draft Marcus Mariota over Jameis Winston. “To me the talent level is not that different.”
February 5th, 2015 at 2:58 pm
Half of the stuff I post is to benefit fans that don’t want Winston. So when the times comes they will understand why they did take him, if that’s what it comes to.There’s no who’s right or wrong behind it. I don’t make stuff up. I read and research it.
That’s why I say I’m the encyclopedia of Winston. I’ve read a lot of things about this kid…..off of JBF. I’ve read little of Mariota, because I’m one of those people, just like the analysts that think he won’t make the transition from a gimmicky offense to the NFL.
February 5th, 2015 at 3:24 pm
This from USA Today minutes ago :
“Jameis Winston is virtually undraftable.
No, strike that.
Jameis Winston is undraftable at No. 1, No. 2 or any single-digit spot in May’s NFL draft.
Yet, there he is, atop more mock drafts than anyone, like it’s preordained he’ll be in Tampa Bay next year as the No. 1 pick.”
February 5th, 2015 at 3:29 pm
87ForJameisNOMariota Says
Half of the stuff I post is to benefit fans that don’t want Winston. So when the times comes they will understand why they did take him, if that’s what it comes to.There’s no who’s right or wrong behind it. I don’t make stuff up. I read and research it.
That’s why I say I’m the encyclopedia of Winston. I’ve read a lot of things about this kid…..off of JBF. I’ve read little of Mariota, because I’m one of those people, just like the analysts that think he won’t make the transition from a gimmicky offense to the NFL.
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Deep thoughts from a shallow pond.
February 5th, 2015 at 3:36 pm
Call it what you want. I don’t really care. Winston is who I want them to take and Winston is also who I think they will take. I can’t be more clear.
At least I don’t make stuff up repeatedly on here like most of you do.
If they don’t take him, then so be it. I’ll move on and talk about other things Buc-related just as I’ve always done.
Notice how nobody had an answer for what I posted about what Buc Nation is finding out more and more each day. That MOST analysts are going with Winston #1 to Tampa Bay. I didn’t just make that up. USA Today is saying it too. They all must be from a shallow pond as well. Now go bury your head in the sand like the rest of them. Or just spout off about how the Glaers will never do such a thing. Check back in 3 months to find out how wrong you were.
February 5th, 2015 at 3:42 pm
What kind of Neanderthal just says stuff that can be so easily debunked?
the same that link autism with vaccinations.
February 5th, 2015 at 3:44 pm
Even Kirwan says Tennessee at #2 would have more trading partners if Mariotta was still there over Shameis. I feel he is spot on with his mock. The only thing is Shameis could end up slipping even further once all his issues truly come out.
AND JOE,
Since you wanted Johnny Football so bad. What would you think about trading the #1 pick to Cleveland for Johnny, both their 1st rounders this year, and some more picks to follow??? I personally wouldn’t touch the kid. But you do have to respect his decision to man up and take on the responsibility of going to rehab. I personally have had to go before and it was the hardest decision of my life. It was also the best decision of my life. I hope it works for him and he is able to have a great career.
February 5th, 2015 at 3:48 pm
Mock drafts are actually nothing more than somebody just guessing what players the teams will takenot who they should take. Some will even tell you that they don’t agree with the selection or like it. Charlie Campbell of Walter Football has become a very respected voice in the scouting community. He has Winston mocked to come to Bucs with first pick buy said this about the selection:
“I think they’re crazy. But the Buccaneers apparently aren’t worried about Winston going nuts in Ybor or at Mons Venus. The latter would have to re-name itself Mons Jameis after Winston puts the owners’ kids through college.”
Not exactly a ringing endorsement
February 5th, 2015 at 3:54 pm
Mr. Patrick…they don’t have to endorse him.
The point is the writer is saying that it probably IS going to happen….
February 5th, 2015 at 3:59 pm
This is from walterfootball for last year’s draft and is just to show how unreliable mock drafts really are. We know in hindsight that we took Evans which in my opinion was absolutely the right choice over Manziel. Absolutely nothing can be gained from mock drafts other than some entertainment. Joe, I do not think this was an issue to post since I am referencing where it came from and it is not a link. If not allowed kindly let me know for future knowledge.
*** 2014 NFL Mock Draft (7 rounds) updated May 8. This NFL Mock Draft will be updated at least once per week (Tuesday afternoons and other times for important events.). Check out old versions of this 2014 NFL Mock Draft in the archived mock draft section. Follow @walterfootball for NFL Draft updates. ***
7. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M
The Tampa Bay owners want Johnny Manziel. Reports on our NFL Draft Rumors page say that there is definite interest between Manziel and the Buccaneers. If he’s available at No. 7, and all of the top prospects (Mike Evans, Sammy Watkins, Khalil Mack) are off the board, as expected, Tampa could easily pull the trigger. The Buccaneers need a long-term solution at the quarterback position.
*** OTHER 2014 NFL DRAFT POSSIBILITIES: ***
1. Derek Carr, QB (trade down) – The Buccaneers are aiming to trade down. They can probably do so for a team coveting Mike Evans. If they move down, they’ll strongly consider Carr as their future quarterback, assuming Johnny Manziel is off the board.
2. Mike Evans, WR – Evans is probably Tampa Bay’s No. 1 realistic choice.
February 5th, 2015 at 4:00 pm
Even the USA today writer of that article said it would be a big mistake…yet he said that Tampa Bay will draft him.
That’s what I’ve been talking about when I say groundswell. In the coming months if most analysts 85% are saying it’s Winston, Williams or Mariota. It’s almost a lock that all of them are right. They rarely screw up the first pick in the draft when all of them are saying the same thing. I know nobody wants to hear that for some reason, but it is what it is.
It WILL be more telling in the next 2 months. Right now it’s way too early.
February 5th, 2015 at 4:05 pm
time to show mr.patrick as wrong, liar, manipulator of facts, poor reading comprehension, general lack of reasoning, or whatever, again. does patrick even have any credibility?
this is the updated draft selection from walterfootbal 2/3:
“Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Jameis Winston, QB, Florida State
The Buccaneers don’t have to trade up anymore, as they have control of the top selection. I know for a fact that Tampa was more than willing to move up for a quarterback, but that’s not necessary now that the Buccaneers are projected to have the first-overall pick. Thus, all speculation of them moving down is pretty pointless.
It’s not a matter of what position Tampa addresses, but rather which quarterback it takes. It’s obviously between Marcus Mariota and Jameis Winston, and I considered the former the favorite until recently. However, Charlie Campbell reported that the Buccaneers currently prefer Jameis Winston over Marcus Mariota.
I think they’re crazy, but the Buccaneers apparently aren’t worried about Winston going nuts in Ybor or at Mons Venus. The latter would have to rename itself Mons Jameis after Winston puts the owners’ kids through college.”
notice how the mocker IS NOT charlie campbell (it is walter cherepinsky as stated at the botton in the copyright). the reference to charlie campbell is from this link dated 1/15/15:
http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftrumormill.php#bucs0115
but patrick is just a poor hater that is poor at telling the truth, reading comprehension, reasoning, or even slamming someone.
February 5th, 2015 at 4:06 pm
rayjay1122…post all you want but your not talking about the first pick. Once again MOST of them get the first pick in the draft correct.
It’s the later ones they get wrong.
I don’t why but some people know I’m right about this, but refuse to believe it or say that they believe it.
THEY DON’T GET THE FIRST PICK IN THE DRAFT WRONG 95% OF THE TIME.
That’s not statistically factual, but anyone that follows drafts knows damn well what I’m talking about.
February 5th, 2015 at 4:07 pm
this is a continuation of showing patrick how he is wrong, again.
this is the link from above to what charlie campbell actually said of winston:
Buccaneers Currently Prefer Jameis Winston over Marcus Mariota
Updated Jan. 15, 2015
By Charlie Campbell – @draftcampbell
Tampa Bay landing the No. 1 overall pick in the 2015 NFL Draft has sparked a heavy debate with Buccaneer fans and the media covering the team about which quarterback is the top prospect between Florida State’s Jameis Winston and Oregon’s Marcus Mariota. Per our sources with the Buccaneers, the organization currently prefers Winston over Mariota.
Sources say it is early in the process, and things could change in the months to come. Coaches getting involved in draft evaluations can make a big difference in a team’s thinking. However, our sources don’t view that as likely. They say that as long as Winston interviews well and doesn’t get into trouble in the months leading up to the draft, they feel that he will be the top pick in the draft.
I would agree with Tampa Bay’s thinking that Winston is the far superior prospect on the field. Off the field, the advantage swings to Mariota, but in speaking with evaluators at other teams, they all feel that Winston is the right pick for the Buccaneers. Sources from the Bucs and multiple teams also agree with my contention that Winston is a better prospect than Matthew Stafford, Sam Bradford, and Cam Newton, who went first overall in the 2009-2011 drafts.
A lot can change in the spring months leading up to the draft, but entering the pre-combine training, Winston is the favorite to go first overall to Tampa Bay.
Check out my mock draft, where I have Tampa taking Winston No. 1 overall. “
February 5th, 2015 at 4:09 pm
The USA Today article by the way TRASHES Winston yet they say the Bucs are still going to take him. I’m just posting what I’ve learned. If I was biased I would leave out the part of them trashing Winston.
February 5th, 2015 at 4:12 pm
and still continuing to show the fallacies, manipulations, lack of comprehension of patrick…
this is the link to charlie campbell’s mock:
http://walterfootball.com/draft2015charlie.php
this is what charlie campbell truly says of winston as of 1/30/15
Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Jameis Winston, QB, Florida State
The Buccaneers are the poster child of how drafting a bust quarterback can set a franchise back for five or more years. Lovie Smith and Jason Licht inherited a roster with a ton of holes in it. After a history of bad free agent signings and draft picks, Smith and Licht walked into a team that had garbage on the offensive line, only one quality player on the defensive line and no quarterback. Landing a franchise signal-caller could be the start of ending the latest era of ‘Yuccaneers’ football. In speaking with sources, the Bucs initially prefer Winston.
On the field, Winston is a better prospect than Marcus Mariota, and over time, that could push teams to overlook the character discrepancy. Even with the off-the-field concerns, I have Winston ranked first on my big board and have had as the No.1 overall pick since early October 2014. He is a rare athlete who has natural poise as a pocket passer. His phenomenal field vision, anticipation and decision-making are extremely impressive for a college quarterback. He is a rare talent. The biggest issue for Winston is off-the-field problems.
One scouting director told us those off-the-field problems “are real and more than advertised.” Winston’s suspension while Florida State faced off against Clemson almost, and should have, cost his team a win. In speaking with sources, some NFL teams have real doubts about Winston and think he could have Jamarcus Russell-level off-the-field problems. Other sources feel that Winston’s off-the-field issues are immaturity that he’ll grow out of and they’ve been overblown. They say that Winston is a leader in the locker room, a good teammate, and does everything asked of him by the football and baseball coaches. One general manager told WalterFootball.com that Winston is the real deal, so some team is going to look past the off-the-field issues and take him early in the 2015 NFL Draft.
Winson completed 65 percent of his passes in 2014 for 3,907 yards with 25 touchdowns and 18 interceptions. He is a sparkling 26-1 as a starting quarterback. Winston took college football by storm in 2013 as the Heisman Trophy winner. The redshirt freshman demonstrated a quality arm with well-developed passing ability. The 6-foot-4, 228-pounder completed 67 percent of his passes for 4,057 yards with 40 touchdowns and 10 interceptions. On the ground, he ran for 219 yards with four touchdowns.
February 5th, 2015 at 4:16 pm
lurker…your only supposed to make stuff up. Your not allowed to post what insiders are saying….that doesn’t their agenda and most of THEM won’t even read it anyways. They’re too dug in and adamant that it won’t happen.
February 5th, 2015 at 4:21 pm
They’ll give you the many reasons as to why they think it won’t happen. While insiders are saying that it’s going to happen.
Like I said in 2 months you could have a 100% consensus of analysts saying that Tampa Bay is going to draft Winston and they still won’t believe it.
I’m at the point where if Lovie himself comes out in early April and says so. They still won’t believe it. They will figure out someway to spin it as non factual.
Oh well atleast all this passes the time away until the draft even though it’s redundant.
February 5th, 2015 at 4:21 pm
in same mock of charlie campbell from 1/30/15 says of mariotta:
Tennessee Titans: Marcus Mariota, QB, Oregon
The Titans need a franchise quarterback, and I know Mariota has already made a favorable impression on the brass in Tennessee.
There is no doubt that Mariota has great physical tools. The 6-foot-4, 211-pound has a strong arm, size and excellent mobility. As a passer, Mariota has the physical ability to do it all, but could use some refinement in his mechanics, footwork and pocket passing. He isn’t a developed pocket passer entering the NFL. Pocket passing is teachable with a good student, as the Panthers and 49ers proved with Cam Newton and Colin Kaepernick. Mariota will need that kind of development.
Mariota completed 68 percent of his passes in 2014 for 4,454 yards with 42 touchdowns and four interceptions. On the ground, he totaled 770 yards (5.7 average) with 15 touchdowns. Mariota has demonstrated a strong arm, athleticism and toughness. He also did a great job of protecting the football from interceptions, but demonstrated a habit of fumbles. Mariota has to develop his field vision, working through his progressions and at working under center. Mariota rarely threw into tight windows because of his college offense, so he needs development as a pocket passer and developing as a backup could benefit him.
Mariota completed 64 percent of his passes in 2013 for 3,665 yards with 31 touchdowns and four interceptions. On the ground, the redshirt sophomore ran for 715 yards with nine touchdowns. While Mariota did a great job of avoiding throwing picks, he had some issues with fumbles. In 2012 as a first-year starter, Mariota completed 69 percent of his passes for 2,677 yards with 32 touchdowns and six interceptions.
February 5th, 2015 at 4:22 pm
Have a nice day! 🙂
February 5th, 2015 at 4:22 pm
@87
You are exactly right about them getting the 1st pick right. They mocked Clowney to go #1 and I am glad it wasn’t the Bucs who got stuck with the Clown. Now we do have the #1 pick and I really hope we do not get stuck with a clown!!!
February 5th, 2015 at 4:23 pm
For all of you that are so adamantly against Winston, just exactly what will you do if/when he gets picked #1? I’m talking about the 5-6 of you who can’t mention him without saying the words rapist, thief, etc., what then?
If they take someone else, I will be disappointed but it won’t change much for me. Still a Buc.
And if he starts winning football games and NOT getting in trouble? Will you be long gone, rooting for the Phins?
February 5th, 2015 at 4:28 pm
so patrick, please go back to your restaurants (or hotdog stands on gandy “beach” in your thong ) or multimillion dollar sports business of which you say you were a part of, please. this football stuff is beyond you, as this (what did you say, 16 years old) lurker has shown time and again.
February 5th, 2015 at 4:30 pm
What do you think is going to happen when Winston interviews at the combine with teams? I have seen his press conferences and I can’t understand anything he says. I grew up in the hood and what he speaks is not jive. It is not ebonics. It is something from another planet!
I cannot wait until Saturday Night Live does their Winston Press Conference skit. It is going to be so damn funny! And they will do it every week because people will love it more than Eddie Murphy doing Buckwheat!
February 5th, 2015 at 4:30 pm
87, most draft analysts are wrong every year. If most of them are saying Winston, I’d think the pick will be Mariota. Like most years, they are all wrong again this year. Mariota is the man, Winston is the child.
February 5th, 2015 at 4:31 pm
As quoted accurately by Lurker – Charlie Campbell says:
“Sources from the Bucs and multiple teams also agree with my contention that Winston is a better prospect than Matthew Stafford, Sam Bradford, and Cam Newton, who went first overall in the 2009-2011 drafts.”
Maybe that will shut up the idiots who keep contending that there is not a franchise QB in this draft so we should draft a DT with the 1st overall pick if there are no good trade down offers.
I’ve been saying for awhile that Winston is one of the 5 best QB prospects to have come out in the last 10 years. If the above quoted statement (by a football and draft expert) is accurate – then Winston is the 2nd best QB prospect to come out (behind Luck of course) in the last 6 years at least.
The more this process unfolds – the more it is going to become obvious to almost everyone that Winston will be chosen #1 by the Bucs – despite whatever smoke screens the Bucs throw out there in the hopes of MAYBE enticing some team into paying a Kings ransom to move up which is a nice thing to consider if you are talking about 5-6 high picks (1st or 2nd round) in trade for your 1 pick at the top of the draft.
February 5th, 2015 at 4:36 pm
ps it was easy to see your misrepresentation of charlie campbell. as you pointed out, charlie is well-respected, and as such would not have posted the biased drivel that you attributed to him about mr. jameis winston. QED
February 5th, 2015 at 4:41 pm
As I have said in the past, I am NOT anti-Winston. I will accept whichever guy the Bucs decide is the best fit. Winston just generated more material to poke fun at, so in the spirit of fun, I say we flip a coin for who we take.
Heads for Mariota since he uses his head!!!
Tails for Winston because Tail got him a lot of grief!!!
February 5th, 2015 at 4:43 pm
“Erik with CleanAthletics.com Says:
February 5th, 2015 at 4:30 pm
87, most draft analysts are wrong every year. If most of them are saying Winston, I’d think the pick will be Mariota. Like most years, they are all wrong again this year. Mariota is the man, Winston is the child”
All the paid analysts are wrong, but, you, a non paid, non-analyst are right?
Denial much?
February 5th, 2015 at 4:44 pm
All the talk of who the Bucs like and how they got if from inside sources is just coaches bluffing to disguise who they will take, so they can get trade offers. None of it matters. It is all a smokescreen and happens every year. You know that. No matter what you hear between now and the draft, it isn’t real.
February 5th, 2015 at 4:44 pm
Poor, poor poor little Lurker, or whatever he wants to call himself today, little 15 year old boy trying to jump into the big boy pool and drowning miserably.
If you want to go back to Walter Football you will see that there are 3 guys that do mocks on there plus the online voter mock and the reader mock database. They all write different things and will occaisionally change their daily selections and comments. I’m like the 3rd person on here to post that quote from Charlie Campbell. And if you want to go back and look at my post you will see that I said that Campbell had him coming here(maybe the big words confused you, sorry)
I’m flattered by your obsession with me (kind of like 87’s with Jameis I guess) so keep posting things from other sites so we all don’t have to keep skipping around ro find them.
So todays statement that you can look laughable trying to disprove:
The Sky Is Blue
So go ahead, knock yourself out, lol
February 5th, 2015 at 4:47 pm
@ Buctebow
Yep, it’s smokescreen season
February 5th, 2015 at 4:48 pm
@Patrick
You are really painting yourself in a corner. What happens on April 30 if/when they take Winston?
Still a Bucs fan (rooting for us to win with Winston) or picking a new team?
February 5th, 2015 at 4:49 pm
Wish Dominick was still the GM for at least draft day. His mind is already made up. He takes Mariota. Says the talent level is not that far apart.
February 5th, 2015 at 4:50 pm
“All the paid analysts are wrong, but, you, a non paid, non-analyst are right?”
“Denial much?”
Ya see what I mean ODB…they spin it to fit their way of thinking.
February 5th, 2015 at 4:51 pm
Okay I’m done for now. I’m exhausted.
So have a nice day…again. 🙂
February 5th, 2015 at 5:02 pm
Off topic but a lot of Analysts are talking about Glennon potentially being a target of the Browns. I don’t think they have a third rounder, so would we accept a 4th for him? I highly doubt they would give up their 2.
February 5th, 2015 at 5:04 pm
funny how i showed you to be incorrect and yet you say (that not true). i gave the evidence…where is yours? just because 2 lemmings repeat what you say does not make what you say true or a fact. smh
how do you accomplish anything of value in this life? where is your quote of charlie campbell? you are just a silly ol man or suffering dementia.
again, where does charlie campbell put his reputation on the line by saying “I think they’re crazy, but the Buccaneers apparently aren’t worried about Winston going nuts in Ybor or at Mons Venus. The latter would have to rename itself Mons Jameis after Winston puts the owners’ kids through college.”
i linked you to charlie’s draft on walter football…he does not say that. keep digging your hole.
February 5th, 2015 at 5:12 pm
@ Love,
I’m very happy that you asked. As I have posted before, I have been a Buc fan since the beginning, 1976 and not about to stop now, I’ve seen all the coaches and players come and go,winning, losing, fantastic draft picks and horrible draft picks. Superbowl to 0-26. My sons were raised going to Bucs games. And that’s the reason that I’m on here with you and everybody else
Now with that being said, I always want the Bucs to do what is best for the team and make themselves a winner and not a laughing stock as I have already been through that. And that’s why I think that your boy Winston is a terrible pick for them. I just see his selection as a huge mistake and a pick that would be made out of pure desparation. He is a total head case and somebody that I think will be an interception machine in the NFL. There are so many better things that the Bucs could do with that #1 pick to help themselves win. Unlike so many on here, I don’t care if he’s white, black, green or purple and I don’t care where he played his college ball. I just want what’s best for the Bucs and I don’t think that it is him. Plus, if the Bucs do pick him and he flames out like so many predict then it will set the franchise back 3-5 years again
Now, with that being said, if the Bucs do take him, I will support that decision just like I have so many others that turned out to be bad. I will cheer for him and wish him the best and just hope and pray that he pulls his head out of his a$$ and realizes the fortunate position that he is in considering his past behavior. I will hope that he wins me and the thousands of other Bucs fans over that doubt him.
So Mr. Love, If the Bucs don’t select him, can you say the same or will you support another team like the one that Winston goes to?
February 5th, 2015 at 5:13 pm
@armchair
i am leery of our personnel decisions regarding freeagency and trades. i still can’t believe we gave up on zuttah for a 5th round selection…smh
February 5th, 2015 at 5:15 pm
@ Lurker
Still funny. Keep trying Young’un, lol
February 5th, 2015 at 5:20 pm
@ Lurker I am true but if your not going to play him as Lovie showed last year wouldn’t you trade him for a decent pick?
February 5th, 2015 at 5:23 pm
To all of the Winston supporters – Loveandwarrickdunn brought up an interesting point. – If the Bucs DON’T pick Winston, who will you support and root for more next year: the Bucs, Winston’s new team, or somebody else?
February 5th, 2015 at 5:24 pm
@Patrick
” I will cheer for him and wish him the best and just hope and pray that he pulls his head out of his a$$ and realizes the fortunate position that he is in considering his past behavior. I will hope that he wins me and the thousands of other Bucs fans over that doubt him.”
Good to hear. I hope he wins and flies under the radar off the field, and by default, wins you and others over.
February 5th, 2015 at 5:30 pm
@Patrick,
My first Bucs game was in ’81 (roughly), in 3rd grade. I’ve lived through it as well. I will cheer no matter the pick.
I support all my Noles in the NFL.
But, I only cheer for one team. Call me a masochist….
February 5th, 2015 at 5:32 pm
@armchair
glennon would be a great backup to either winston or mariotta. now if they get another qb to be backup/mentor (not mccown), then yes trade glennon. i am just wary of licht getting value for glennon as i do not think he got value for zuttah.
February 5th, 2015 at 5:32 pm
From purely on the field, the grade for Jameis Winston is just behind Andrew Luck’s in the last ten years and there is nobody else in between,” said McShay
McShay says if he were to grade Mariota on NFL-type throws alone, he would be a third- or fourth-round quarterback.
February 5th, 2015 at 5:37 pm
@patrick
as a person of your supposed business acumen, you sure do smear and defame many people on here including mr. jameis winston and now mr. charlie campbell. it would be amusing to see if mr. charlie campbell stands by these remarks that you attribute to him. i think not. perhaps joe should peruse the links i gave. it is clear for all but you to see.
February 5th, 2015 at 5:52 pm
DING DING DING. That statement could be said in every comment section on this board and it would hold true. Why waste the energy on people that don’t care about FACTS.
So, in one breath, you say how unreliable mock drafts are, yet the example you posted shows exactly how accurate this mock was.
It clearly states: “If he’s available at 7 AND all the top prospects are off the board, as expected, Tampa could easily pull the trigger”.
That AND there is very telling. Guess what. At 7, all the top prospects were NOT off the board, and their #2 option (which I’ll consider #1 since you can’t really predict trades) was Evans, who we took.
So how does this example that YOU gave prove YOUR point?
Lo and behold, another person who’s reading comprehension escapes.
1) 87 CLEARLY said that draft analysts usually get the 1st pick right. You can look it up if you want or you can just call him wrong without actually doing fact checking. (Protip: he’s right)
2) Your website needs a little work. There are some formatting errors going on on a couple of pages and the homepage takes a little while to load some of the images. You should take a look at it. (I’m using Ubuntu Desktop, 16GB ram, Xeon processor, Firefox)
Funny that you used a coin flipping analogy for this and gave Winston tails. Have you ever heard the term “Tails never fails”?
Do you know where it came from?
I’ll just leave this right here
Bucs fan win/lose/draw.
Whats funny is that the people that want Winston have no problem supporting the team if they go in a different direction, but those that DON’T want Winston have stated time and time again that they’re done with the team if they take Winston….
…or they won’t even answer the question.
February 5th, 2015 at 5:53 pm
@Joe,
I know you allow HTML markup on your comments, but it seems as if the flag for links is not activated.
February 5th, 2015 at 5:56 pm
If they take Marcus I’ll be 100% behind it.
Electric player. Be fun to watch.
February 5th, 2015 at 6:00 pm
@ Lurker
I’m sure that Charlie Campbell stands by all of his statements even though some people that don’t agree with his opinions try to discredit him. You will learn this as you reach adulthood
February 5th, 2015 at 6:25 pm
@ Lurker
One more Campbell quote just for you
“The biggest issue for Winston is off-the-field problems. One scouting director told us those off-the-field issues ‘are real and more than advertised'”
(there’s no big words)
February 5th, 2015 at 7:17 pm
come on patrick, this isn’t that hard to understand, is it?
you attribute this quote, and often, to charlie campbell:
“I think they’re crazy, but the Buccaneers apparently aren’t worried about Winston going nuts in Ybor or at Mons Venus. The latter would have to rename itself Mons Jameis after Winston puts the owners’ kids through college.”
you are wrong, again. show me where he said this? damn, you really cannot admit you are wrong with the truth sitting right in front of you. you are a sad, sad individual whose only real contribution to society is in dumbing it down. i can only hope your offspring were not hindered in their development because of this. please let this not be idiocracy…but it indeed might be.
February 5th, 2015 at 7:28 pm
@Celly
I guess not everyone is an expert in all things like you. Could you give us the privilege of knowing how we can all worship you since you esteem yourself to be a God?
February 5th, 2015 at 7:31 pm
Jameis Winston is one of the finest young men I hsve ever coached.
Mike Martin
February 5th, 2015 at 7:49 pm
@Celly
If you honestly believe that mock drafts are extremely accurate then you are as dumb as your picture looks. I never attacked Winston yet you attack my posts you douche bag. I try to keep it all in good fun mixed in with some analytical takes but who the hell do you think you are to stomp on my toes? You think you are so intelligent don’t you? Well keep that to yourself and it can be your little secret. Be nice and I will tell your daddy to stop molesting you.
February 5th, 2015 at 8:04 pm
You guys are funny. It’s the same chit all day everyday for months and I LOVE IT!!!! We got issues folks!
February 5th, 2015 at 8:22 pm
WS99 (formerly know as DB55),
You aren’t kidding. It’s like effing Groundhog Day here.
February 5th, 2015 at 8:23 pm
^^^known
February 5th, 2015 at 8:33 pm
Sorry Joe. I know that I had a post moderated and kicked out. I just was rubbed the wrong way when a self proclaimed know it all tries to dispute my reading comprehension. My life has more substance than to be drug down to that level. I have enough of a humble nature to admit when I am wrong.
February 5th, 2015 at 8:34 pm
87
I commend you for the effort but its a losing battle, bro. You would be better off beating your head against the wall than spend the time here tryin to educate some of these fools. Im 36, been a Bucs fan since childhood and I have never seen this type of pure hatred towards a player before. I just dont get it. We can only hope L & L are putting as much into this as we are here on JBF.
February 5th, 2015 at 8:43 pm
Sup dave.
Sick of this $hit
We can only hope L & L are putting as much into this as we are here on JBF.
I hope so too.
February 5th, 2015 at 8:48 pm
Mariota was 6th in McShays latest mock and you can expect more of the same. For the Bucs fans that want a QB to be drafted you better get on that Winston band wagon. Mariota is going to keep slipping. He is a reach to say the least and is going to continue to fall. The number one pick will either be Winston or that defensive tackle. Nobody is taking Mariota #1 overall.
February 5th, 2015 at 8:48 pm
Go back to the Jim Crow days and you will find the same hatred level.
February 5th, 2015 at 8:51 pm
I still just think Jameis is a little too rapey
February 5th, 2015 at 9:18 pm
“Joe reads this and thinks it sure would be a coup if the Bucs could somehow find a way to trade down with the Titans…”
Just curious. Has the number one EVER been traded for the number teo overall in history?
This scenario just seems like you are stretching fantasy draft scenarios to the breaking point.
February 5th, 2015 at 9:22 pm
@Bucfan4life
McShay’s rankings are way off base every year. He is horrible. Take the time to look at his previous draft mocks and the actual drafts. He gets maybe three right per year.
February 5th, 2015 at 9:27 pm
dcprosportsreport.com gives you a compilation of EVERY credible mock draft on the internet. Winston is picked first in close to 70% of them put out in the last few weeks.
February 5th, 2015 at 9:29 pm
Sick of this $hit Says:
February 5th, 2015 at 8:34 pm
“87
I commend you for the effort but its a losing battle, bro. You would be better off beating your head against the wall ”
YES…but I’m famous now haven’t you heard?
Next thing you know I’ll be in the news for stealing salt packets from McDonald’s.
February 5th, 2015 at 9:30 pm
lurker Says:
February 5th, 2015 at 7:17 pm
come on patrick, this isn’t that hard to understand, is it?
you attribute this quote, and often, to charlie campbell:
“I think they’re crazy, but the Buccaneers apparently aren’t worried about Winston going nuts in Ybor or at Mons Venus. The latter would have to rename itself Mons Jameis after Winston puts the owners’ kids through college.”
you are wrong, again. show me where he said this? damn, you really cannot admit you are wrong with the truth sitting right in front of you. you are a sad, sad individual whose only real contribution to society is in dumbing it down. i can only hope your offspring were not hindered in their development because of this. please let this not be idiocracy…but it indeed might be.
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IDIOCRACY reference! Love it! Re-watched it again today and I have to admit, President Camacho has been reincarnated as Barack Obama… that move is too freaking real!
February 5th, 2015 at 9:30 pm
Brandon give it 2 months the groundswell is building up.
February 5th, 2015 at 9:30 pm
BB,
Absolutely on McShay… But how often I he wrong on the #1 overall?
February 5th, 2015 at 9:37 pm
The idea of trading down one spot with Tennessee is definitely intriguing BTW.
Trade chart says a 2nd round pick or two 3rd round picks would be about the going rate for them to trade up from #2 to #1.
If the Bucs have a definite preference for 1 QB over the other – which I assume will be the case after all is said and done and vetted and examined – it would be quite the risky business though because Tennessee would be putting out smoke screens galore just as we will be – trying to hide/misrepresent who they would want to pick if they are indeed picking a QB.
February 5th, 2015 at 9:38 pm
Strengths:
McShay offers some useful insight to into predicting which teams will draft offensive tackles (52.2%), wide receivers (47.1%) and linebackers (46.2%). As we alluded to earlier, McShay has been consistent with the first four picks in each draft. In fact, he has only missed one of those picks in the last five years. Bengals fans should keep a close eye on McShay’s mocks, as he has consistently picked their first round draft choice correctly.
….only missed one of the top four picks the last five years… Not looking good for the haters!
February 5th, 2015 at 9:42 pm
Brandon Says:
February 5th, 2015 at 9:30 pm
IDIOCRACY reference! Love it!
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“Go away – bate-in”
“Its got electrolytes – its what plants crave.” – Why not just put water on the plants? – “You mean like from the toilet???”
February 5th, 2015 at 9:43 pm
These people are terrified at the possibility….it’s okay I understand.
I won’t even gloat when it happens…I mean why bother. They’ll know before the draft anyways. We might have to drag them kicking and screaming to games, but it’s okay they’ll come around.
I’m serious, I’m not going to gloat at all. Though I’m sure many are ready to pounce on me if they don’t take him…
February 5th, 2015 at 9:49 pm
“From purely on the field, the grade for Jameis Winston is just behind Andrew Luck’s in the last ten years and there is nobody else in between,” said McShay.
February 5th, 2015 at 9:57 pm
It’s 9pm, do you know where #TheCreepyCrab is?
February 5th, 2015 at 10:02 pm
Yes Barry he’s out in California training for his pro day.
February 5th, 2015 at 10:37 pm
People who objectively watch the tape can see Winston is the better QB. People who want a guy that can date their daughter want Mariota.
February 5th, 2015 at 10:55 pm
Jamies Winston already had a two year character interview for the NFL, which he failed. What he says in forthcoming interviews can’t erase the stupid, ignorant, boorish behavior he has displayed off the field for the past two years. Actions speak louder than words. if you believe that leading a football team is simply a matter of being able to make the throws then you don’t know anything about football or about life. In the only game he ever lost in college he showed what kind of sport he was and his true character, a pouting, childish, rogue. If you can’t handle adversity, you won’t ever have the character to lead.
February 5th, 2015 at 11:03 pm
It will be easy to find the haters to bring to the games.
Just look for confederate flags and pick up trucks.
Likely to participate in Civil War reenactments.
February 5th, 2015 at 11:06 pm
buddha Says:
“In the only game he ever lost in college he showed what kind of sport he was and his true character, a pouting, childish, rogue.”
That’s made up stuff number 104. Jameis Winston was one of the only Noles left on the field after the game shaking hands with the Oregon Ducks.
The hits keep on coming….the funny thing is you people actually believe this crap that you say…
Winston gets it at age 17.
“He’s got this infectious personality,” Dilfer said. “A lot of people use the term leadership, but I like guys who are comfortable in their own skin. That’s Jameis. He came in a little unprepared, and he admitted it. But he’s got a real presence to him. I’ve been real proud of him.”
February 5th, 2015 at 11:08 pm
Funny how the haters confuse fiery temper with pouting, tantrums. I guess your only allowed to cry like girls after you already lost. Dont show any emotion during the game when it could make a difference. No, no. Only poor sports do that. Lol so stupid.
February 5th, 2015 at 11:12 pm
dont forget he shaved points and sold autographs,
Oh wait that was all made up crap too.
February 5th, 2015 at 11:13 pm
“President Camacho has been reincarnated as Barack Obama… that move is too freaking real!”
you are wrong…that would be the bush that had his family get him into college and sat there as our nation was attacked wondering whether or not to listen to children’s stories.
#whatwmd #puppetpresident
February 5th, 2015 at 11:14 pm
There are about 50 people on this site daily that should NEVER buy a ticket to see Jameis Winston play for the Bucs. That’s 50 whining little….well you know’s.
I’m taking names down….because some of you say the most rotten stuff about the future QB of the team you love. Just remember that you said all this stuff on draft day. Just remember that you said all this stuff when the season comes.
I don’t want to hear an effing peep out of any of you. I don’t want you to say good things about him when the time comes. You don’t deserve the right. Because that would make you all look like the jack asses that you are. Just keep to to yourselves or go away after they draft him. Nobody cares.
I said I won’t gloat on draft day. There’s a reason for that. I’m doing my talking now to get it out of the way.
February 5th, 2015 at 11:15 pm
“It will be easy to find the haters to bring to the games.
Just look for confederate flags and pick up trucks.
Likely to participate in Civil War reenactments.”
all of patrick’s clientele on gandy beach
February 5th, 2015 at 11:18 pm
Jameis Winston…you owe me. LOL
February 5th, 2015 at 11:21 pm
“I think the kid’s the real deal. I didn’t know ratings going into this. I could care less about the perception. To me, they were all high school quarterbacks. I don’t care how famous they are. He’s earned my respect. If I’m a college coach, I want that guy.” –Trent Dilfer
College coaches want him, all right.
At 6-foot-3 and 195 pounds, Winston has sorted dozens of scholarship offers to reach a final list of Alabama, Florida State and LSU.
February 5th, 2015 at 11:25 pm
i guess the seniors went to bed after the 9:00 news?
February 5th, 2015 at 11:29 pm
Winston will and should be drafted by the Bucs as he is the most pro ready and that is not even a debate. My only fear is if Mariota drops and somehow the Eagles get him. I think he can be better in that offense than Winston will be in the Bucs offense. That is not a knock on Winston but more on the system and coaching here in Tampa. I do think though that Winston to Evans will be the encore of Winston to Benjamin. Now I will wait for Celly to dissect and scrutinize everything I just typed while pointing out what an idiot I am. SMH @ that self infatuated individual.
February 5th, 2015 at 11:31 pm
i know everyone has an opinion, but the venom, smear job, and defamation by people here is crazy. the silly, just made up information, stats, quotes, is astounding, especially in this day of the interwebs.
February 5th, 2015 at 11:36 pm
I thought this debate was over.
Earlier today WS99 announced that we would be drafting Jameis Winston.
End of debate.
‘Nuff said.
February 5th, 2015 at 11:39 pm
Buc fan first. Nole fan second. Winston fan third.
Ya see I have to keep repeating that.
People think that I’m just in loooove with Winston, because it’s in my name.
I changed my name because I knew it was going to be war. It’s my war paint. I’m not sure but I think I changed my name before “Jameis Watch”.
Sometimes I say to myself. I can’t believe the Bucs have a chance at this kid. That’s why I’m kind of leaning towards they tanked most of the season to get him. They can’t suck THAT bad. How did we take a step backwards from Schiano? This had to be planned at some point. It was evaluation time at some point in the season. The play calling was atrocious on O and D. This HAD to be planned.
February 5th, 2015 at 11:40 pm
LOL@Dave
February 5th, 2015 at 11:41 pm
this debate will not end, even after the draft…lol
February 5th, 2015 at 11:43 pm
Winston will have a cheap and easy move to Tampa from Tallahassee. Hey, on a different note, wouldn’t it be pretty cool if the draft were held each year in whichever city had the 1st pick in the draft. It would be totally awesome for us Bucs fans to be able to form a mob on draft day. Hey 87, can you call Roger G. at NFL headquarters and make that happen.
February 5th, 2015 at 11:44 pm
lurker …and they NEVER take into consideration that he MIGHT be the next QB of their team. At some point this has to stop. That’s why I say in 2 months from now, when 85% of the analysts are picking the Bucs to draft Winston, I hope all this venom will subside, but I don’t really know.
February 5th, 2015 at 11:44 pm
@87,
🙂
I respect your dedication to Winston.
I actually agree 100% with what you are saying.
But you’ve got to be getting tired of trying to convince some of these
nitwits.
February 5th, 2015 at 11:46 pm
Perhaps they just want to be heard…
“Hey 87, can you call Roger G. at NFL headquarters and make that happen.”
I can try. Famous people such as myself can sometimes pull strings…lol
February 5th, 2015 at 11:50 pm
i can only say they tanked the last game, especially the 4th quarter. and since that is the case, i do not think it was for williams (there seems to be a can’t miss d-lineman every year) nor to trade down (it would be cheaper for a team to trade for the #2, especially since most think titans will roll with mettenberger at qb).
February 5th, 2015 at 11:53 pm
Dave… I work from home. I have a lot of free time on my hands. I do payrolls for a large company that I choose not name on this site. I own my own business and have only a few employees. Nobody ever really bothers me except on Friday’s. There’s always a lull for me on JBF on Fridays.
I get bored to death without JBF. I don’t watch much TV. I listen to music all day and blog politics and JBF.
AND….I’ve waited over 25 years for a franchise QB for the team I love!
February 5th, 2015 at 11:53 pm
“Hey, on a different note, wouldn’t it be pretty cool if the draft were held each year in whichever city had the 1st pick in the draft. It would be totally awesome for us Bucs fans to be able to form a mob on draft day.”
this is a great idea. too bad it would be a few years to start and they would only have 4-5 months to pick a site, etc,etc after the draft order is decided.
February 5th, 2015 at 11:55 pm
Basically I do all this for the team I love.
February 5th, 2015 at 11:56 pm
I am all in for Winston. It took a little convincing and I had fears of a second coming of Josh Freeman but then I remembered that for one season Free was paying really good and he was not nearly the QB prospect that Winston is. We can win with Winston if the coaching allows and if he gets some mature veterans to mentor him. Why not??? I will except it if they pick Mariota but I think Winston is more of a fit here. Jeremiah on NFL network likened Winston to a cross between Big Ben and Eli Manning. I can live with that.
February 5th, 2015 at 11:57 pm
lurker and rayjay….that’s a great idea btw.
Someone SHOULD run that by NFL offices.
February 6th, 2015 at 12:00 am
that’s all rayjay’s awesome idea
February 6th, 2015 at 12:00 am
The on field flaws/mechanics in Winston’s game are all coachable and can be corrected. I think he will grow up quickly as a pro and can be a guy his teammates and fans can rally around.
February 6th, 2015 at 12:01 am
rayjay….robert 9 came around. He doesn’t like or want them to take Winston, but he acknowledged that he thinks they will take him.
That’s all I’m looking for anyways. As soon as these yahoo’s can acknowledge that it is going to take place. They’ll simmer down. Maybe.
February 6th, 2015 at 12:04 am
when there was talk of mr. winston’s windup throwing mechanics i found a link to an article where it was compared to rothlisberger’s, with video’s. so there are good to great qb’s doing well with improper mechanics.
February 6th, 2015 at 12:05 am
Couch Fan knows how I am. I’m very passionate when it come to this team.
Hell I STILL cry like a girl when I watch the SB DVD. It always happens RIGHT after Barber’s pick @Philly. I can’t help myself. I’ve seen the DVD about 9 times since the SB win. Same results. Tears flow when Barber makes that pick. Then I settle down with the tears and watch the SB. When Gruden hoists the trophy, I cry again.
I’m not afraid to admit it either.
February 6th, 2015 at 12:06 am
I had a great idea. Well a broken watch is right twice a day. LOL Thanks for the compliments. I needed something positive today. I would love it though if the draft was in Tampa this year. It would be the next best thing to hosting the Superbowl and the Bucs being in it. Then Winston would not have to get on a plane to address the local media and fans.
February 6th, 2015 at 12:07 am
I ONLY want what’s best for this team and that’s Jameis Winston.
February 6th, 2015 at 12:10 am
@87
I cry too when I watch that DVD. Hopefully we will get another one to add to the collection. My wife laughs at me but she just don’t understand the pride of seeing that great season end in a championship after so many years of losing.
February 6th, 2015 at 12:10 am
Okay I have to hit the rack…it’s Friday tomorrow. Real work has to be done.
See you guys around.
Your welcome Joe. LOL
Good night everyone.
Good night John Boy. Good night Mary Ellen.
February 6th, 2015 at 12:12 am
exactly, rayjay! it gives the fans of the worst team something to cheer about since their team will likely not be in the playoffs for a few years.
February 6th, 2015 at 12:21 am
@lurker
That is what I was thinking as well. Plus it would be good for the local businesses in whichever city was hosting. Tampa is a pretty nice destination for many folks, so just imagine how great of an event that could be turned into. Really I do think this could be pitched to the NFL for consideration. It would take a few years to sell it to the League but logistically, 4 months or so could be enough to make it happen especially since it usually comes down to only a few cities, so those cities could make plans just in case. I wonder how that could get to the NFL for consideration???
February 6th, 2015 at 12:33 am
Well, time to call it a night. Have a good one!!!
February 6th, 2015 at 12:47 am
It funny how so many of you people put so much faith into these mock drafts. The only reason they are out there this time of year is to fill space and to get people talking on message boards. Until the combine, interviews, and pro days. Not even the teams know who they want to draft right now. They have certain players in mind. And one would think the only names mentioned for Tampa would be Mariotta, Williams, and Shameis. The background checks and “spying” on players as Mark Dominik talked about on ESPN earlier today. Those will find plenty of dirt on Shameis and multiple other players.
I love hearing MD talk about sending people to Justin Blackmon’s home town and sending them to the same bar everynight for 2 weeks just to see if Justin would come in or not. Dom said he was in there almost every night. So they decided to pass on him according to Dom.
Point is…its February not the end of April. Making assumptions based off guys all copying each others mocks and changing minor details to make it their own is asinine.
And to the question of what would we do IF Shameis was selected as our QB. I personally would hope for the best, and pray he doesn’t get into anymore trouble. But we all know the chances of that are slim at best. I will never root against Tampa. Its no different now with FSU. They have been my favorite school since I was around 7 or 8 years old. They still are, but after all this mess with Shameis and the cover ups and blah blah blah. It has tarnished my image of the School and what they truly stand for. I will still pull for my team, but I am so relieved he will no longer be playing at FSU. Now I just hope to God he doesn’t repeat his troubles here in Tampa. Let another team deal with that headache and sideshow!! #MariottaWilliamsOrTradeDown
February 6th, 2015 at 1:20 am
Just draft the BPA Leonard Williams and pick up Garrett Grayson in the 2nd.
February 6th, 2015 at 2:43 am
@monkey
https://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=128597
If you tell yourself that drivel you wrote enough maybe it will come true. You think the Bucs have guys in San Diego spying on Winston at George Whitfields training facility? Blackmon got a DUI in college so the Bar stakeout seems legit… So maybe the Bucs are now staking out Publix?
The big board is set and not changing much, deal!
February 10th, 2015 at 11:47 am
It’s unbelievable that many maintain that Winston is better. Mariota outperformed Winston in almost every statistical quarterback category.
Vist:
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/12/31/mariota-vs-winston-by-the-numbers/