Accurate Jameis
February 27th, 2017
Who says Jameis Winston is inaccurate?
“So many times,” as Phil Simms would say, Joe reads comments on this website claiming America’s Quarterback is inaccurate, especially throwing the deep ball.
It makes Joe chuckle.
Joe will never forget visiting friends in Pittsburgh on a Labor Day Weekend a few years ago to watch the Cardinals-Pirates weekend series, a pivotal match-up between two teams fist-fighting for first place in the National League Central.
That same holiday weekend, Florida State just happened to be playing at Pitt. What the hell, Joe thought, go to the game! So Joe and a buddy from the Steel City headed to Heinz Field and that very night, Joe, his friend, as well as the nation, were introduced to Jameis, who damned near pitched a perfect game in his college debut, throwing only two incompletions.
When a guy throws twice as many touchdowns as incompletions in a game, Joe will never ever call that “inaccurate.”
And now, here comes the PFF tribe. From the fingertips of Eliot Crist comes data that suggests Jameis is anything but inaccurate. And when targeting receivers running a specific route, no quarterback — not Tom Brady, not Aaron Rodgers — is more accurate than Jameis. They would be crossing routes.
Winston dominated defenses when targeting crossing routes. He completed 36 of 50 passes for 529 yards, with 6 touchdowns and a 145.8 QB Rating. Winston’s impressive 72-percent completion percentage came while having the fourth-highest aDOT in the league of 10.92 yards. On passes over 25 yards, he completed all 4 to different receivers for 137 yards; 2 went for touchdowns.
Well, what do you know, Jameis is elite throwing deep crossing routes? And here folks bellyache how Jameis can’t hit deep balls. Hhhmmm?
Seems like some folks have some ‘splaining to do.
February 27th, 2017 at 8:10 am
That is an easy answer Joe, Tampa Tony says it pretty much everyday on every thread about Jameis
February 27th, 2017 at 8:11 am
Around 60-61 completion is exactly what you’d expect in a 4 verts scheme, plus he had one legit receiver all year, really don’t know what folks don’t get about that.
Guarantee if Jameis was in a dink and dunk offense like Cousins or Prescott, or if he had a stable of big time weapons, his completion percentage would be much higher.
February 27th, 2017 at 8:24 am
Why don’t we try more crossing routes then? 50 attempts and he dropped back 500+ times!
February 27th, 2017 at 8:26 am
You can start by asking your friend once he is back on the air which is very soon if the last update I heard is any indication. He railed Jameis all season on Twitter and on air for his inaccuracy.
Jameis was nearly 61% on his completion percentage this year. I’d like to see that up around 64% and I think he’ll get there with a better running back. Not only was Jameis highly accurate on crossing routes but he was one of the best (if not *the* best) on play action.
February 27th, 2017 at 8:26 am
Have we all not seen the throws that Mr. Winston throws that are 3′ over or away from the wide recivers. Or completely miss wide open receivers across the field. Call it what you want I am not so sure I will call it accuracy. I do hope that Mr. Winston improves this aspect in his game. Watch out when he does.
Go Bucs!
February 27th, 2017 at 8:33 am
So if according to PFF Winston was “dominant” on crossing routes and again according to PFF, Kenny Britt was the most effective WR on crossing routes and he also happens to be a FA. Seems like a good match to me.
February 27th, 2017 at 8:34 am
And just imagine what Jameis can do once he has a couple more high level WRs playing with him!!!
February 27th, 2017 at 8:35 am
@Rusty
I trust stats, not your optics. One can only imagine how effective JW would be without a matador offensive line and only two legit receivers.
February 27th, 2017 at 8:42 am
Jimbo: Stats got us the best left tackle in football in Anthony Collins. I’ll trust the video over this “aDOT” stats bullcrap. PFF is pure football fiction.
February 27th, 2017 at 8:49 am
We can all agree he is streaky with his accuracy
He also has only 1 weapon a average at best line
And not much of a running game.
February 27th, 2017 at 8:49 am
Yes Jameis missed some deep throws down the field this year, but so did Aaron Rodgers. No Qb is perfect.
You don’t pass for 4k in your first 2 seasons as a signal caller if you don’t have accuracy.
February 27th, 2017 at 8:52 am
Given the fact Jameis has one nfl caliber wr, no running game and possibly the worst combination of RT’s in NFL history in Dot and Gos the young man has been outstanding. The offensive line is much worse than Joe cares to admit No Center, No RT, below average LT up and coming marpet is a positive but don’t kid yourselves how bad Dotson is and always has been
February 27th, 2017 at 8:54 am
This is dumb. I’ve been rewatching all of the bucs games from last year and in every single one so far he has over thrown WIDE open receivers. The first game he over threw Humphries then the very next play it was Evans. Both would have been easy touchdowns. He had a hell of a game but that drive we settled for 3.
I love Winston but his deep ball still needs some work.
February 27th, 2017 at 9:04 am
Ding ding ding D rome you sir are correct. Emphasis on better running back because the offense is predicated on the play action. He thrives on that and are they’re other options that could fill That role yes,but why settle for just another guy. Why Not aquire the guy that would make selling the playaction the easiest. A bonafide threat back there would work wonders for this offensive scheme.
February 27th, 2017 at 9:09 am
Come on, Joe…we all know Jameis is not as accurate as he needs to be, especially on deep passes. Denying it won’t fix it.
I have no doubt that he will work hard to address the issue, but nonetheless, the issue DOES exist.
February 27th, 2017 at 9:14 am
RustyRhinos Says
“Have we all not seen the throws that Mr. Winston throws that are 3′ over or away from the wide recivers. Or completely miss wide open receivers across the field. Call it what you want I am not so sure I will call it accuracy.”
I have a theory on this. I’m wondering if Koetter has been telling him to throw high. Remember, both Evans and Vincent Jackson are tall WRs. Throwing high reduces the chances of picks, and both of those guys could win many jump catches.
If Jameis is taught to go high on deeper throws, it explains a lot. Because wasn’t he better at them in college?
February 27th, 2017 at 9:23 am
The playaction almost becomes indefensible wit guy DC. If you don’t bite on it and cover everything down field which would still be difficult with ME on one side and lets say Pryor on the other DC simply crosses the line of scrimmage 5 or 6 yards and turns around. Fameis dumps it off that becomes 10 or 15 yards because his acceleration is instantaneous.
February 27th, 2017 at 9:26 am
It’s too bad he’ll be taken in the top 10 there NosBos. Especially if he blows up the combine like you are predicting he will.
February 27th, 2017 at 9:26 am
Harry in Costa Rica Says:
“And just imagine what Jameis can do once he has a couple more high level WRs playing with him!!!”
Don’t have to imagine, just re-watch his Pro-Bowl appearance.
February 27th, 2017 at 9:31 am
“WE GON’ DO IT THEN WE DO IT BIG!”-Fameis James
#WEAPONS-FOR-WINSTON
February 27th, 2017 at 9:34 am
SMH…look he doesn’t need to work on his deep ball anymore than Aaron Rodgers or some other stud.
Some fans act as if he’s the only QB in the league that overthrows WR’s. Try watching other teams, you might be surprised as to what QB’s overthrow WR’s from time to time.
Btw Brady played like shyte the first 1/2 of the SB. Did any of you clowns stop and think to yourself while watching his display that we really don’t have it all that bad? Nope, it prolly never crossed your minds.
February 27th, 2017 at 9:44 am
Simple, he overthrows go-routes
February 27th, 2017 at 9:50 am
Another box checked for K Britt
February 27th, 2017 at 9:55 am
Anything possible Blake. And if they’re is a GM that is more all inn on taking him more than I believe Licht is then that individual had been feeling that way well before this side show called the NFL combine. Thing is 23 GMs passed on Chris Johnson after he set a combine 40 record that still stands. I won’t be swayed by anything DC does in Indy.
February 27th, 2017 at 10:09 am
You either like PFF or you don’t… can’t have it both ways lol
February 27th, 2017 at 10:13 am
Accuracy…
Not saying Jameis doesn’ t need to improve his accuracy, along with many other things a 23 yo Franchise QB needs to work on, BUT isn’t a large part of Jameis’ accuracy issue have to do with lack of weapons?! He doesn’t necessarily need to have 2 more All Pros at WR – Matt Ryan got a MVP season out of Sanu and Gabriel lining up along side Julio Jones – lets remember, ATL picked up Gabriel off of waivers and Sanu was relatively cheap FA signing! And IMO, I would take Jameis over Ryan.
So, put either Pryor or Stills opposite Evans and just watch what Jameis can do about those accuracy issues!!
February 27th, 2017 at 10:41 am
More than once on his “deep throw inaccuracy” have I heard “he’s putting it where the receiver needs to get to” if there is a QB in the booth. On the high balls, many times they are on timing routes. This one drives me crazy because the receiver must get to a certain depth and if they don’t reach the correct landmark, they can’t get to the correct spot. Mike Evans was our best receiver, he made leaps and bounds this year but no one is calling him a polished route runner.. yet.. its coming. No one will ever convince me, Martino, Sheppard, Shorts or Humphries are polished route runners. Humphries came a long way too but still has a ways to go. Winston is not perfect. I don’t want him to ever strive for that, he needs to take chances. But this notion that he is inaccurate, well thats not accurate.
February 27th, 2017 at 11:03 am
Jameis is a young, strong guy that hasn’t quite learned where to put the ball down field. Isn’t this reason we’ve all been talking about a speedy #2 since halfway through last season?
February 27th, 2017 at 11:14 am
Love how Joe quotes PFF to support his claims, but when PFF goes against his Favorite Buccaneers, he bashes them for giving them low grades. #ThatsNotRight
Joe is fine with basic data from PFF, not grades, which are subjective and often based on hooey. –Joe
February 27th, 2017 at 11:18 am
I love JW, but his inaccuracy against the Rams, Raiders and Cowboys (any one of those game if he was more accurate at the end, this team would’ve ben in the playoffs. What most people are saying, we would like to see a consistently accurate JW.
February 27th, 2017 at 11:55 am
Is no criticism of Jameis acceptable?
I love Jameis – he will go down as the greatest Bucs QB of all time – but that doesn’t mean that he doesn’t have areas where he needs to improve. So did young Brett Favre, young Peyton Manning, etc.
Lets not pretend he doesn’t have aspects of his game he needs to focus on. One of them is accuracy.
February 27th, 2017 at 11:58 am
That FSU win at Pittsburgh was against a depleted Pitt team who went through four coaches in a couple of years before facing the eventual national champs that year. It was also Pitts first game in the ACC. Impressive game by Winston, but look at the opponent. FSU was loaded across the board.
February 27th, 2017 at 12:24 pm
Numbers don’t lie Jameis was 23rd in completion percentage in 2016 and if you watch the games you can see he’s a streaky passer with long stretches of throws that are high or behind receivers. Those throws kill drives and prevent receivers from running after the catch.
February 27th, 2017 at 12:25 pm
Still waiting for Jameis to be as accurate for the Bucs as he was in his first college game…
February 27th, 2017 at 12:46 pm
QQQ Says:
“Is no criticism of Jameis acceptable?”
For as long as he’s the QB. Nope.
For as long as he’s been the QB. Nope.
February 27th, 2017 at 12:47 pm
Tony…you can be whatever you want to be man.
February 27th, 2017 at 12:49 pm
All I know is that Jameis is the best 23 year old Quarterback I’ve ever seen in a Bucs Uniform, and I have all the faith in the world that he is going to get better and better every year.
And I know that he is going to be absolutely lethal once we stockpile some #Weapons4Winston
#Mucho Armas Para Yameis
February 27th, 2017 at 2:00 pm
My advise – draft a QB in the first round just in case Jameis can’t correct his overthrow problem. Everybody is worried that Aguayo can’t kick. We should be worried that Jameis can’t connect.
February 27th, 2017 at 2:36 pm
Throws for 4000+ yards in each of his first 2 seasons, gets labeled inaccurate. Must be liberals behind this kind of thinking. Only explanation that makes sense.
February 27th, 2017 at 3:42 pm
Is Jameis “inaccurate”? No of course not. Does he have issues from time to time with his accuracy? Yes. And as some have pointed out – the good and the bad seem to come in waves – so yea, Jameis at this point can be realistically described as “streaky”. Jameis was “streaky at FSU as well. He may always be that way. He was also 26-1 as a starting QB at FSU.
The simple fact is this. 2 years into his NFL career and having just turned 23 years old – Jameis Winston is BY FAR the best QB who has ever worn a Buccaneer uniform.
His arm strength, his anticipation, his size, his scrambling ability, his football smarts and his natural and intense leadership skills are all specials assets that this QB brings to the table. Along with a burning, inextinguishable desire to WIN! To become the best football player he can be and to lead his team to Super Bowl victories (plural).
THAT is what you get with Jameis Winston under center.
Many above have pointed out that lack of better receiving talent last year hurt Winston’s capabilities and his stats in some cases. As did lack of a legit play action threat. Both are true.
But the real elephant in the room that no one has mentioned and that Joe seems in constant denial of – is that the Oline in 2016 simply did NOT do a good enough job in pass protection. It just didn’t.
Jameis may statistically be one of the best in the league at scrambling to buy time and making plays downfield as a result. But trust me – you WANT this QB to have a clean pocket and enough time to look to 2nd and 3rd options and be able to fully step into his throws once a choice to throw is made.
Transform the Bucs Oline into the top 10 Unit that Jameis needs and deserves and watch him have those 80-90% with 3-5 TDs throwing days that seemed like the norm in 2013 at FSU. (2013 btw was the last time Winston had a “good” and reliable Oline protecting him).
February 27th, 2017 at 4:18 pm
One thing never mentioned about Winston is he changed his body, all his life playing QB, he switched to pitching his offseasons, last year was the first he got to work on his game, instead he transformed his body, here on out he gets truly learn how to play with his improved physique, training to get the baseball out of his footwork, he’s had 15 years of baseball muscle memory, he couldn’t tapp into what his body was capable of last year, not enough time to get improved physically and refine technique on the fly, this offseason he can concentrate on learning how to use his new strength
February 27th, 2017 at 5:01 pm
Pickgrin, FSU is a super great program, but the ACC is not the NFL. The ACC is not the NFC South. ACC is one of the top college conferences top to bottom no doubt. not a equal comparison ACC teams against NFL teams, 18,22 year olds against 23-30+ year old men. A big difference for me.
Who was the most accurate QB in the NFL 2016 season? What did his passes look like going out to his receivers? Where did he put the ball in their numbers, in their hands, in stride? I am so very excited to see Mr. Winston grow into the anointing that Joe has given him “Americas QB, The Messiah, The Savior, Franchise QB” yet grow we all must when we are 23 and going out and pursue our goals and dreams in our profession. It takes some adjustments.
I agree that Mr. Winston may have been instructed to go high whjit his passes to our WR’s TE’s RB’s, and yet he threw for 4000+ yards each of his first two seasons. How many yards will he get when he has grasped his needed control into those smaller windows in the NFL as compared to the ACC. Yes I get it the ACC is a good conference, what it is not is the NFL. Where the best of the best of every college conferences go against each other every game. I want to see Mr. Winston hit more receivers in stride so that they have a chance to get those precious YAC yards. I have seen him do just that a few times, just not as consistently as is needed in the NFL. lack of a running game is a major hindrance to some of those close to accurate passes.
Good problem for Mr. Winston to overcome, in time he should get better.
Go BUCS!
Thoughts and prayers out to the BigDog! Keep up the fight!
February 27th, 2017 at 10:35 pm
@Joe
I’m surprised that you guys haven’t written an article, or provided a link, based on ESPN’s sports science segment featuring Winston v Mariota. They test, measure and evaluate Jameis Winston’s passing skills. Accuracy is an area tested. The results confirm he’s
February 28th, 2017 at 11:44 am
As a Bucs fan, I really hope we get the RB and WRs to get this offense rolling. Think Jameis 4000+ yds with half the picks and twice the TDs.
As a Jameis fan, I hope he gets traded because that other stuff ain’t happening in Tampa.
Mariota couldn’t finish the season this year and missed 2 games his rookie year. How long before Jameis starts breaking down, too?